Longest chinese dynasty Chao or Zhou

[Gaginang]

Let have a thread for one of the greatest period of chinese knowledge and war.
paper was invented in this period of chinese, confusions went around chinese teaching his ideas. Sun Zhu was perfection his Art of War. The seperation of state from religions.

[Red Guard]

what are you talking about????
if you are talking about the time period for longest, you can't really tell, since xia, shang, zhou are not really a dynasty. . after qin, Han is the longest i think, lasted for 800 years (maybe i remember it wrong). Yuan is the shortest, 86 years.
and there is no dynasty called "chao", i believe.....
paper was invented in Song.
Confusius is from Chun Qiu
and Sun wu is from late Chun qiu.

these things are totally unrelated to each other..........

[KYli]

Xia Dynasty (夏朝) – [2100 BC – 1600 BC]

Shang Dynasty (商朝) – [1600 BC – 1066 BC]

Zhou Dynasty (周朝)
Western Zhou (西周)–[1066 BC – 771 BC]
Eastern Zhou (东周) – [770 BC – 256 BC]
Period of Spring and Autumn (春秋时代)– [722 BC – 481 BC]
Warring States Period (战国时代) * – [403 BC – 221 BC]

Qin Dynasty (秦朝) – [221 BC – 206 BC]
Han Dynasty (汉朝)
Western Han (西汉) [206 BC – 23 AD]
Eastern Han (东汉) [25 AD – 220 AD]

3 kingdoms Period (三国时代)
Wei (魏) - [220 AD – 265 AD]
Shu (蜀) – [221 AD – 263 AD]
|--> Wu (吴) – [222 AD – 280 AD]

Western Jin Dynasty (西晋) - [265 AD – 316 AD]

Eastern Jin Dynasty and 16 Kingdoms (东晋十六国)
Eastern Jin (东晋)– [317 AD – 420 AD]
16 Kingdoms (十六国)[304 AD – 439 AD]

Northern and Southern Dynasties (南北朝)
Southern Dynasty (南朝)
Song (宋) – [420 AD – 479 AD]
Qi (齐) – [479 AD – 502 AD]
Liang (梁)– [502 AD – 557 AD]
Chen (陈)– [557 AD – 589 AD]
Northern Dynasty (北朝)
Northern Wei (北魏)– [386 AD – 534 AD]
Eastern Wei (东魏) – [534 AD – 550 AD]
Northern Qi (北齐) – [550 AD – 577 AD]
Western Wei (西魏) – [535 AD – 557 AD]
Northern Zhou (北周) – [557 AD – 581 AD]

Sui Dynasty (隋朝) – [581 AD -618 AD]

Tang Dynasty (唐朝) – [618 AD – 907 AD]

5 Dynasties and 10 Kingdoms (五代十国)
Late Liang (后梁) – [907 AD – 923 AD]
Late Tang (后唐) – [923 AD – 936 AD]
Late Jin (后晋) – [936 AD – 946 AD]
Late Han (后汉) – [947 AD – 950 AD]
Late Zhou (后周) – [951 AD – 960 AD]
10 Kingdoms (十国)[902 AD – 979 AD]

Song Dynasty (宋朝)
Northern Song (北宋) – [960 AD – 1127 AD]
Southern Song (南宋) – [1127 AD – 1279 AD]

Liao Dynasty (辽朝) - [907 AD – 1125 AD]

Western Xia Dynasty (西夏) - [1032 AD – 1227 AD]

Jin Dynasty (金朝) – [1115 AD – 1234 AD]

Yuan Dynasty (元朝) – [1279 AD – 1368 AD]

Ming Dynasty (明朝) – [1368 AD – 1644 AD]

Qing Dynasty (清朝) – [1644 AD – 1911 AD]


Modern Age

Republic of China (中华民国) [1912 AD – 1949 AD]

People’s Republic of China (中华人民共和国)– [1949 AD – today]

The Warring States Period consists of mainly 7 states:
Qin (秦)
Wei (魏)
Han (韩)
Zhao (赵)
Chu (楚)
Yan (燕)
Qi (齐)


The Western Han dynasty include a Xin dynasty (新朝) [9 AD – 23 AD] founded by Wang Mang. During Wang Mang’s period, peasant revolts occurred and a peasant regime was established. In 23 AD, Xin dynasty collapsed and in 25 AD, Eastern Han Dynasty was established.

During this period, except for eastern Jin, there existed a few feudal states.

These feudal states include:

Han (汉) or Early Zhao (前赵)
Cheng (成) or Cheng Han(成汉)
Early Liang (前凉)
Late Zhao (后赵) or Wei (魏)
Early Yan (前燕)
Early Qin (前秦)
Late Yan (后燕)
Late Qin (后秦)
Western Qin (西秦)
Late Liang (后凉)
Southern Liang (南凉)
Northern Liang (北凉)
Southern Yan (南燕)
Western Liang (西凉)
Northern Yan (北燕)
Xia (夏)

Historically, this were known as the “16 kingdoms”
During this period, except for Late Liang, Late Tang, Late Jin, Late Han and Late Zhou dynasties, there existed other feudal states.

These feudal states include:
Wu (吴)
Early Shu (前蜀)
Wu Yue (吴越)
Chu (楚)
Min (闽)
Southern Han (南汉)
Jing Nan(荆南) or Nan Ping (南平)
Late Shu (后蜀)
Southern Tang (南唐)
Northern Han (北汉)

[adeptitus]

Generally speaking, historians consider Zhou Dynasty to be the longest, and Qin to be the shortest. Some historians credit the Zhou dynasty period for its development from fedual states to centralized power under "mandate of heaven", others would argue that such development occured under Shang.

Shang Dynasty was not a good time period to live in. xD Servants and slaves had good chance of being beheaded whenever the master died, or if the master built a new building and want to sacrifice some human heads for good luck.

[KYli]

It is really about your perspective over how you define as dynasty, but Zhou gerenally is consider the longest period. But some people do argue that Han is, since Zhou had no absolute control over many territories and it is less centralized.

[Gaginang]

what are you talking about????
if you are talking about the time period for longest, you can't really tell, since xia, shang, zhou are not really a dynasty. . after qin, Han is the longest i think, lasted for 800 years (maybe i remember it wrong). Yuan is the shortest, 86 years.
and there is no dynasty called "chao", i believe.....
paper was invented in Song.
Confusius is from Chun Qiu
and Sun wu is from late Chun qiu.

these things are totally unrelated to each other..........

Chao as in cantonese
zhou as in mandarin

paper was invented during the warring states period, and i think money was invented in the song or a few centuries after then.

[KYli]

Chao as in cantonese
zhou as in mandarin

paper was invented during the warring states period, and i think money was invented in the song or a few centuries after then.

Chou as in Cantonese, and paper was invented by Han Dynasty.

[Red Guard]

Chou as in Cantonese, and paper was invented by Han Dynasty.
my bad. paper was intented in han

and the money upper talked about isn't correct enough. since coins are also money. but in Song, we had the paper money, but i think before that we have "banking system's cheque"......

[adeptitus]

The Han Dynasty is often credited with the invention of Chinese-Paper. Some historians claim that the Han official Ts'ai Lun (Cai Lun) invented it and presented the paper to the Han Emperor in 105 AD. Others claim that he simply found someone making it, and decided to report it to the Emperor and record its manufacturing methods. There are archaelogical evidence that suggest paper was in use at least 200 years prior, so it's possible that paper was in use "somewhere in China" in pre-Han era.

If we were to assume Egyptian papyrus to be "paper", then they have the Chinese beat on this invention by ~3,000 years.

However, the most important invention relating to paper, the TOILET PAPER, is definately credited to Ming China. =p

[darth sidious]

The Han Dynasty is often credited with the invention of Chinese-Paper. Some historians claim that the Han official Ts'ai Lun (Cai Lun) invented it and presented the paper to the Han Emperor in 105 AD. Others claim that he simply found someone making it, and decided to report it to the Emperor and record its manufacturing methods. There are archaelogical evidence that suggest paper was in use at least 200 years prior, so it's possible that paper was in use "somewhere in China" in pre-Han era.

If we were to assume Egyptian papyrus to be "paper", then they have the Chinese beat on this invention by ~3,000 years.

However, the most important invention relating to paper, the TOILET PAPER, is definately credited to Ming China. =p

I woudent count the papyrus as paper the raw material require to make it is too limited making it far too expansive to day to day use it also cost Egypt most of its marsh lands

the pre han paper is too poor to write on the earlist example of paper with writing on them are found in the Han period

[mindreader]

Sorry to tell ya but, papyrus is not paper. I am sure that some here may argue that it depends on your definition or how to prequalify it, but no, papyrus is not paper.

The making of paper involved a very complex process (for the time) and not just flattening and smoothing it. In fact, although the materials used to make paper has changed over time, the process we use today is still the same (and based on the same principles) the Chinese used so long ago. Neither the technological sophistication or the quality of the papyrus ever came close to the early Chinese papers.

In fact, if we are to define papyrus as "paper," I would claim that there were many forms of "paper" that far predates the papyrus. For instance, although it may be a stretch to claim rocks, bones and bamboo rods as paper, if we define paper as simply something to write on, these would definitely apply.

Furthermore, although bamboo was used to bind books in early days in China, silk was used for important documents. If we are to define the term so loosely then silk would also be a form of paper, just one that has other uses.

[sumdud]

Mulberry paper was invented in 105 (BC?) during Han Dynasty, which lasted only for 400 years overall.

But can someone confirm if the Zhou king actually preferred agriculture to technology because people would be peaceful and ignorant and not rebell?

[Gaginang]

Joseph Needham the world most renounced professor in chinese history believed paper was invented in 300bc, if not later . he placed paper invention in the time of period of warring states. warring states was still in the period of Zhou.