What's Next After DDG 115/116 Class?

[Su-34]

PLAN has already brought into service two 052C class DDGs and will soon bring into service two of the new Dalian-built 115 Class DDG. The question that we are now asking is: When will China build new destroyers after DDG 116?

Does anyone here know what destroyer will China build next? Will it be from 052C class or another hull for 115 class? Or will China build a new class of DDG that is bigger and has more VLS launchers fitted with both SAMs and Land Attack Cruise Missiles like the Arleigh Burke? I hope some of you has some scoop on what DDG will China build next...:D

[MIGleader]

Most of us think its going to be the 52d, which is just another evolution of the 52c, nothing special. The ship is likely going to share the same hull as the 52c.
Differences might be some new sensors(52c still use old lightbulb datalink), and new SAM(improved hq-15, or maybe even the s-400), with more missles. Im hopng they fit some ty-90s to the type 730 CIWS, making them complete point-defence systems.
New sonar and ASW weapons? The yu-7 on the 52c is inferior to many russian alternatives.
Maybe the yj-65s will have a groudn attack mode.

We really dont know much, its just specualtion based on soem weapons systems weve seen come out.

[Su-34]

Most of us think its going to be the 52d, which is just another evolution of the 52c, nothing special. The ship is likely going to share the same hull as the 52c.
Differences might be some new sensors(52c still use old lightbulb datalink), and new SAM(improved hq-15, or maybe even the s-400), with more missles. Im hopng they fit some ty-90s to the type 730 CIWS, making them complete point-defence systems.
New sonar and ASW weapons? The yu-7 on the 52c is inferior to many russian alternatives.
Maybe the yj-65s will have a groudn attack mode.

We really dont know much, its just specualtion based on soem weapons systems weve seen come out.

I see. Thanks, MIGleader for this info.:) By the way, why is it taking such a long time for the new destroyer ( 052D ) to start construction? Are the Chinese PLAN having problems in designing the new DDG(s) or are the PLAN just taking a "go-it-slow" policy in building new destroyers? China's military budget is three times the Indian defence budget, so why hasn't China sped up its destroyer construction programme when India already can afford to build aircraft carrier with their limited defence funds?:confused:

[PiSigma]

china is currently going the quality over quantity route. while india is building trophy aircraft carriers as a showcase for their blue water navy. they have completly different goals. currently everything china builds you can think of it as a test plateform, that's why they build 2 at a time. they find problems, and they improve it and build 2 more. also at the same time they can put the newest technology on there for testing. that way the ships they build will always be the best they can build. in india's case, they need to show all the other countries around the indian ocean that indian ocean is india's backyard, therefore they need a force projection fleet, and that's where the air craft carriers comes in. china's main problem is taiwan, air craft carriers are useless in a fight with a island only 100 miles off the coast.

[waveguide]

why is it taking such a long time for the new destroyer ( 052D ) to start construction? Are the Chinese PLAN having problems in designing the new DDG(s) or are the PLAN just taking a "go-it-slow" policy in building new destroyers? :confused:

as to the go-it-slow policy, actually not. if there is a policy, it should be "take small steps at a time, but go it fast", which explains why they aren't building any new. on one hand, those ships are said to be only the fruits of tentative R&D efforts, the test results would help the building of one, perhaps several new class vessel. some recent datails point to the plan of such a ship, namely, the "Tee".
on the other, i am, personnally, interested in the number: 2. new vessels are always built in pair: 525/6 168/9 170/1 115/6. one possible solution is, while using one ship for testing, the other is used for training. there may be, say, 3to 5 trainning teams working the shift, so that when newly improved version is commissioned, it would almost be brought to use immedietely.


by the way, i think it is a must to keep in mind that China lacks the experience and expertise to build large-tonnage destroyers in a truly grand scale, while indeed the CN-N is well funded. once the first 8 ships are commissioned and well tested, a new round of ship building might begin. there's really a lot of old vessel to replace.

[big toothbrush]

China's military budget is three times the Indian defence budget, so why hasn't China sped up its destroyer construction programme when India already can afford to build aircraft carrier with their limited defence funds?:confused:

the three time budget is only result of US. propagand. the chinese official number is around 30 billion while indian's is 20 billion.

[MIGleader]

I see. Thanks, MIGleader for this info.:) By the way, why is it taking such a long time for the new destroyer ( 052D ) to start construction? Are the Chinese PLAN having problems in designing the new DDG(s) or are the PLAN just taking a "go-it-slow" policy in building new destroyers? China's military budget is three times the Indian defence budget, so why hasn't China sped up its destroyer construction programme when India already can afford to build aircraft carrier with their limited defence funds?:confused:

If I remeber clearly, India spent so much money on Carriers, it had also most no money for anything else. Thats why the Delhia;s have KH-55s instead of sunburns. They didnt even built any new destroyers after that.

China, building some two new destroyers, two new frigates, and FACs every 3 years has depleted the majority of it's naval budget. It was estimated that it would take a whopping 1% of the militaries(all branches) total bduget to finish varyag. Thats why work on it's so slow.

[IDonT]

If I remeber clearly, India spent so much money on Carriers, it had also most no money for anything else. Thats why the Delhia;s have KH-55s instead of sunburns. They didnt even built any new destroyers after that.


I think it was a long the lines of 8 sunburn missiles costing as much as the whole ship. India did build the 2 other Delhi Class destroyers. You can see the blast shield on the INS Delhi, in anticipation of getting the sunburn. The other 2 do not have it.

The Delhi, top with the blast shield (behind the missile launchers)
The Mysore, bottom without the blast shield
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Images/Delhi11.jpg

By the way, why is it taking such a long time for the new destroyer ( 052D ) to start construction? Are the Chinese PLAN having problems in designing the new DDG(s) or are the PLAN just taking a "go-it-slow" policy in building new destroyers? China's military budget is three times the Indian defence budget, so why hasn't China sped up its destroyer construction programme when India already can afford to build aircraft carrier with their limited defence funds?

The PLAN does not exactly get the majority of the defence budget. After all it is the People's Liberation Army Navy. That name is a dead give away as to which is the senior service in China.

[icy_CMU]

When the vl-Shtil will be entered the service?

[Gollevainen]

Ok, cut out the sino-india comprasion!

[crobato]

Next ships will surely follow the 052C line. Make it the 052D. The 115/116 appears to me like backjobs, the projects already approved, the RIF-Ms were already acquired, but the JN shipyards simply worked faster and had higher budget priorities and were finished first.

I believe that the PLAN is taking its time on the 052C, waiting to gather enough information and experience from using the 052B, before all these are consolidated into the 052D design, before the design is set into stone. PLAN still has to deal with integrating the second Sovremanny (139) as well as 115 and 116, so it is going to be busy for a while. I also think there is going to be emphasis on the frigates too, in particular the 054A design with the VLS Shtil-1.

[vincelee]

don't forget that Jiang Nang is relocating. Dalian apparently doesn't have the same quality control, and HangZhou is..behind. GuangDong....I know nothing about.

[hallo84]

don't forget that Jiang Nang is relocating. Dalian apparently doesn't have the same quality control, and HangZhou is..behind. GuangDong....I know nothing about.

Lack of Shipyard shouldn't be a problem if PLAN wanted to spet up production.

Jiangnan SY isn't the only SY in SHanghai, it's not the largest and technically not the most advanced too.

Shanghai alone has more shipyard clearly capable of building ships of this tonnage and quality. There is also Zhonghua, Hudong, Qiuxing, and other large shipyards all located in shanghai...

[akinkhoo]

Jiangnan SY isn't the only SY in SHanghai, it's not the largest and technically not the most advanced too.
there has been some discussion, but i think it would be troublesome for PLAN to bring their military blueprint to another shipyard and resetup the whole thing again.

i believe the plan to void shanghai of ALL shipyards, not just Jiangnan and centralized them in a new port. (can anyone refresh me on the shanghai development plans? it's been a while for me.) and if so, moving somewhere else will only be a short stay before needing to move again.

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i think PLAN's plan has taken into account of the missing shipyards... they don't appear to be in a rush. afterall, i think they need more time to source for better equipment for their ship. to me, the equipment is as if not more important than the shipbuilding itself.