Game of Hoi2: Gollevainen vs. Ender Viggin ...and all related to this game

[Ender Wiggin]

For all SDF members who possess Hearts of Iron 2 please contact me via icq or msn (sid_meier@hotmail.com) (205-365-489) to organize a game of Hoi2.

It will be the Grand Campaign from 1936-1948. from 4 PM Finnish time to 8/9 PM finnish time.

Or 7 AM Eastern Standard Time (Montral, Pima) to 11/12 AM/PM.

Call your countries:

Allies:

Axis:

Germany :: Ender_Wiggin

Comintern:

Other:

****for those with a microphone****

download Teamspeak VOIP clint from www.goteamspeak.com so that we may communicate while playing the game, just is so that we can still communicate should the game crash for one of our members *cough* Gollevanen */cough*

Also for those interested www.paradoxplaza.com where one can look at the game we're playing and if you wish to possess it contact me and I'll find you a store in your nearest location offering the best price. If you do not possess ICQ, www.icq.com, if you donot have MSN www.msn.com

Rules:

The USA may not enter the war until 1942 or unless an Axis player DOW's (Declaration of War) a Manroe Doctrine Nation.

Play intelligently and with respect.

You may not cancel trade agreements right off the bat you may renegotiate them or cancel them via event but when you start the game you may not cancel trade agreements unless they are truly not in your best interest later on.

Try to role play, treat Garantee's of Independance's intelligently and act on them when they're broken.

::Reasoning:: To prevent Germany from DoWing Luxemburg and Italy because the AI allies would DoW Germany in responce, a human player may not do likewise, the point is that if you are garanteeing the independance of a nation you must defend in some way::

For events like MR-Pact only accept portions of the Pact that are historical, events like "USA Elections, Dem or Rep" are however within your choice to change.

::Reasoning:: To keep things Balance, Germany could refuse the MR Pact to put USSR at a severe disadvantage.

Japan may not DoW a China until the 1937 July Mukden Bridge Incident Event.

::Reasoning:: A smart human can always beat an AI China, this is to prevent it form being a walk over.

More to come later.

Also I shotgun Germany, I'm an experiance Germany player.

[Gollevainen]

Ok Glly is Soviet union....or AI lower!!!

[Ender Wiggin]

Argh, no one registered and I overslept.

Okay lets reschedual this who is interested in playing and knows what times/days they are availiable? After sunday though I'll only be availiable weekday afternoons (Canada time). Though weekends I may be able to play at a time more reasonable for europeans.

[Gollevainen]

Well i have my spring brake in next week so technically im available to whole time...but Im not planned to spend my entire holidya by gaming...

[Ender Wiggin]

Mine is ending, so my weekday evenings or weekends.

C'mon people! Who is is interested in playing!

[Ender Wiggin]

Ender: Germany
Gollevainen: SSSR

Scenario: January 1 1936 Grand Campaign

End date before save: September 2 1940

German Perspective

Economic:

I cannot stress how important it is in the Grand Campaign to plan out what you'll be needing for the war, from 1936-1939 (if Germany or Initial Allies) planning is everything, for Germany even more so, Germany your best bet is to expand upon the army everything it will need in sufficient if not well to do numbers.

Plan: To have a first rate airforce by 1939.

To have a first rate mechanized force ready by 1940.

To have ready "elite" troops such as marines and airborne divisions in numbers nessasary to carry out operations, some 4-6 Marines and 6-9 Airborn divisions.

Once these goals can be met you'll be able to execute the war with enough initial assets to execute the war and if need be hold out for reinforcements.

In 1936 I decided to begin with the construction of transport planes Ju-52's, 3 in parallel and 2 in series with a total of 6 Ju52's planned bu august 1936.

I focused mostly on upgrades at first to upgrade from the Ju52 bombers to Dornier-16's bombers.

I researched CAS Stuka's and 1938 tactical bombers Heinkel-111.

I concentrated on relevent techs such as computers, encyption/decyption, industrial tech and mostly air doctrines.

But eventually I would research light tanks PzIIc and then PzIIf

1939 inf, marines, and airborn tech's.

But back to production from late 1936-1938 I build 9 CAS bombers, 12 TAC bombers, 9 Intecepters (Me109F) and some 8 Escourt Fighters.

from 1938 to 1939 I built infantry usually 3 by 20, Marines 2 by 2 and Airborn 3 by 2.

Tanks 3 by 4, and Motorized 3 by 20.

***********************

In September 1st 1939 I invaded Poland; I utilized 3 army groups, one operating in Prussia, one in the Brandenburg district and the last in Silesia.

The goal was simple:

Capture: Dunkirk, krakow, Warsaw, Lodz.

Silisia grupp captured Krakow and raced for Lods and Warsaw, Prussia group raced south. Dunkirk from Brandenburg was captured without a fight and the race for Warsaw was on from 3 directions.

Poland surrended with the Red Army approching from the East in 7 days.

***More late***

[Gollevainen]

I merged this to the previous one...

Well in my part the game moved along pretty well...I didnt manage to win Winter war, but guess there were emotional things involved, heh:rofl: ...But i know whos coming, and i thing i know the perfect way to stop them way before they reach Leningrad, Stalingrad and Moscow...hope it works...

[Ender Wiggin]

After Poland, the phoney war came around, here I concentrated on building replacement transportships (the english torpeedoed the first ones), I continued to build tanks, motorized inf and of course normal leg infantry.

The British bombers forced me to build up the AA defences of my major ports, also there a airwar happening as the Allies tried to bomb my industry to the ground.

However England tried to mine the waters (Altmark Incident) off of Norway forcing me to intervene with the invasion of Denmark and Norway, Denmark collapsed within a day and within 5 days Norway capitulated when I used airborne troops to capture narvik.

I secured Scandinavia with the transportation of some 6 divisions of garrisons and infantry while I evacuated my airborne and marine divisions for use elsewhere.

May 1940:

On may 10th I invaded France and the Low Countries.

I bashed through the Low Countries and as I did so distracted some 10 key French divisions while under the Command of Rommel, Gudarian and Manstein I attacked through the Ardennes, captured Bastonne, crossed the Meusse and from there began promptly to overrun france.

Crushing the low countries due to insufficient troops took longer then expected but ones the Initial French resistence was sweppt aside and Gudarian reached the Channel I began slowly to squeeze Belgium tight province by province until Antwerpt surrendered and the Belgain government capitulated.

The french fought like devils to protect Paris but were overrun in good time and once Paris fell there was only light French resistance until the government fell and the Vichy government took over and of course signed an arminstance.

Once I secured my shores I relocated my airforce to bases in Northern france.

I also moved my marine divisions and my paratrooper divisions into positions.

Italy joined my Alliance, and so they'res a war happening in Africa and the Italians are progressing.

But ya, in July I landed 3 Marine divisions in Dover with 6 Paratrooper divisions landing in Dover at the same time from planes.

Dover I captured and after an unsuccessful attmept to drive me to the sea I consolidated my position and pushed outwards.

I secured the beaches and soon broke out to surround London, captured it and then drove the English further north.

Currently I am laying siege to scapa Flow and then we had to save here's some pictures.

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5750/tech5os.gif

Here's my technology and what I'm researching.

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Here's the Far East Japan got stalled and doesn't look like will be able to conquer China.

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Here's the map of Europe, August, currently the game is in september but the only Chanage is England.

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All is quiet on the Eastern Front.

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Italy is advancing in Egypt. Go go Italiano!

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I advanced further into England, muahaha die!

[Ender Wiggin]

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England is toast.

Also, Gollevainen is scaring me, with all his troops pulled back its scary.

[swimmerXC]

I'll play once I find sometime, which would probably not be till spring break or summer.... but by them I'll be addicted to Battlefield 2 (we can duke it out there)! :D

[vincelee]

only if I were in the LSA.........only if.......

[Gollevainen]

Kids, kids, you dont need no education...school is completely overestimated, games are more important:D :D


...but anyway, damn those charts should have shown the exact numbers of the divisions Im facing....

and I know it makes you fear when you dont know what you are facing, ender:D :D

[Ender Wiggin]

Good thing if war does come around I can send planes to scout ahead. My bombers have crazy range.

[Gollevainen]

perhaps....but then again you wont know what i'm planning to do wiht my 50+ strong T-34 armed tank front....;)

[Ender Wiggin]

you dont have 50 T-34's.....

[FreeAsia2000]

you dont have 50 T-34's.....

:rofl:

that's what you think....or maybe that's what he wants you to think...

seriously i'm going to have to get this game

[Gollevainen]

you dont have 50 T-34's.....

Yeas thats true...i ment to say i have 50 DIVISIONs fitted with t-34s:D


...*cough*disinformation*cough*

[Ender Wiggin]

You probly have 20 or so T-34 Divisions and maybe 20 or so Motorized divisions so 40 armoured total but 50? Maybe if you include semi motorized divisions 47 and maybe your HQ's 49 and if you have at least 3 heavy tank brigades 50 but only in total of ALL armoured/motorized assets.

[Gollevainen]

or i have one motorised and 49 model 1918 infantry...the idea is that You dont know whats waiting there and thats my planned strategy to win the game...

so when we play?

[Vytautas]

hm...So far the best soviet union strategy i know of is to build huge amounts of motorised with self propelled artillery brigades.Sounds crazy,but it works.
And i pretty much know what gollevainen is thinking...1918 infantry is hard to resist...
I would suggest you test that strategy against ai.Although its not the same as playing against a real oponent,but it helps.

[Gollevainen]

well we see it all in next weekend;)

[Ender Wiggin]

I may not be able to tell the difference between a strelkyite division and a motorized divisio but by golly I can tell the diff between a tank and a infantry man, tanks are tankanova divisya or something.

Also armoured units show up ontop of a stack so I can determine which stacks have armoured units.

So far its mid 1940 and aside from his masses of infantry our armound forces are equal with his slight edge in numbers.

HOWEVER my tanks and motorized have EXPERIANCE winning th polish, french, norweigian and England(Sealion) campaigns give my troops an edge in experiance.

Experiance, better generals is an indespinsible edge and as long as I utilize troops correctly I can push him back and take Moscow.

However, it is not to say he cant beat me infact hes using the strategy suggested by Zhukov to Stalin historicaly in 1941 which is a situation I've never faced before.

Also if he still have masses of 1918 infanry then my 1939-1941 infantry have an edge and can win 1:1 engagements due to better training (Standing army vs Drafted army slider).

Lastly my aircraft will be key, if I can find where his troops are located upon invasion I can determine slight adjustments in my strategy.

I think saturday around 8 AM Eastern Stadard time, thats 15:00 PM finnish.

[Gollevainen]

I think saturday around 8 AM Eastern Stadard time, thats 15:00 PM finnish

Ok, But I have my own limits that i cannot play untill very long in to the nigth...theres a finnish reserve soldiers championship games in air rifle in sunday so i need to be in sharp condition...

But to the game, I know How I would win you in reality, But its all up to how i can put that game work analog to my thougths...it migth all come to down to something I didnt even have a clue...But I think the main factors are Your troops and Your skills as a player that will solve the game, Not my troops, they are as good than they can be I guess...

[Ender Wiggin]

I am so sick and tired of gamers going "well I could've done this in this situation" etc nice to see your not one of those.

It all comes down to who makes the least number of mistakes if play well then I'll probably win assuming I don't make any mistakes which is unlikely.

Invading England was riddled with mistakes my dinky little Navy was no match for the Royal Navy and in 1 v 1 engagements I have no doubt the British carrier task forces would've creamed me.

However, regardless of being AI or not the "British player" so to speak made the mistake of not planting their fleet where I was invading, my 6 paratroopers would've made it but unless the UK player was extremely distracted in Egypt would've been able to stop my 3 Marine divisions landing in dover.

Once landed and having my 9 divisions the British in theory could've pushed me to the beaches had they concentrated all their force on my and I made the mistake of attacking london head on so it was in theory the perfect oppurtunity.

The British waited too long and I got some 9 more divisions in Dover the British had no hope after that they had too many troops in Egypt and India to stop me.

Also I won't critize their build strat but I will say the British seemed to have lacked the airforce to stop me their existing fighter squadrons were exhausted from the Battle of France and were in no position to stop me once I cratered their runways.

Air supremacy ensured I knew where to strike and with how much force to do so.

I also made the mistake of not beginning a carrier programme, I can start one now yes but my first carrier wouldn't be ready until late 1941-early 1942 and if America enter's the war I doubt 1-2 carriers will be enough to stop a possible 6-8 carriers, I also lack the ability to switch to easy naval production I daddled too long focusing on having enough trucks and tanks.

France... went pretty smoothly my only issue was that I didnt have IMO enough infantry to consolidate my gains buuuuut I was succesful enough and the french demoralized enough that there was nothing they could do AND the Brittish and French didnt evacuate any troops from france to england.

[Vytautas]

if America enter's the war I doubt 1-2 carriers will be enough to stop a possible 6-8 carriers
WRONG!Two carriers are more than enough to atrittion the USN to death.
Just use hit and run tactics and keep your capital ships screened properly...but you know all that dont you...

[Ender Wiggin]

I do but I lost some ships in the various marine invasion I did, lost 4 DD's and 2 BC's vs Norway, lost a few more DD's and maybe a BB or 2 vs Royal Navy so I only have no so many ships left, besides if a few more join the game I doubt hit and run would work but maybe with England knocked out maybe....

[Ender Wiggin]

More pictures!

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3213/easternfront0sg.gif

Hmm are those tanks on Russia's border? Finland joined the Axis! :nana:

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The Desert Fox has managed to chase England all the way to Alexandria.

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Slightly old, Beirut is under German control as well, but not enough supplies being recieved by the Syrian Expeditary Force to commence full scale operations.

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German troops of the 6th Army crushed the Yugoslavians in a 3 week campaign, learned that mountains and hills can be an annoyance to Tanks and stubburn resistance over a narrow front is harder to overcome then a wide open front.

Soon the panzers made a breakthrough in Edessa in northern greece and within 3 days Athens was taken. The greek and British hoped to hold out in Crete but with a massive paratrooper invasion of 6 divisions Crete was captured with heavy casualties. Continued ussage of Paratroopers is under controvercy.

As is, the secret preparations for the final operation to "end the war" are under way, 106 divisions have been moved into secret positions, 59 infantry divisions, 24 Motorized divisins and 21 Panzer Divisions of mostly Panzer III/IV types.

some 80% of the Army's reserves are now being called into service, what shall it be?

[Vytautas]

I hope not all of your infantry is 1939.That can turn out to be a pain in the ass when attacking the soviet union.

[Ender Wiggin]

I have 1941 but upgrades even with 100+ ic in it is going slow my Pz4's had priority. But if Golle's troops are 1918/36 troops I'll have an edge. Plus I have brigades lots of brigades.

[Gollevainen]

well my focus is on how Ender Wiggin manouvres into My terretory and that Can the game as a system understand what im planning and co-operate with me in it. I Havent played the game so much that I could say anything spesific about what my changes are, but those division figures of Ender do make me shiver a bit...

or is it true that there are those 30 T-34 divisions and 20 model 42 Mechanised divisions lurking somewere:D :D

[Ender Wiggin]

mechanized divisions? I dont think you had those last time I checked statistics...

[Gollevainen]

Then it's been while since you checked;)

[Vytautas]

So true.The soviet union can produce stuff at such an enormous rate that it can turn out to be a headache.While youre blitzing through Russia they can deploy over 20 divisions right in front of you directly out of their pool.Annoying.

[ger_mark]

Go Germany GO !

And send some German troops to kick the british ass!

[Vytautas]

He already did :D As a matter of fact england no longer exists.

[Ender Wiggin]

Well this saturday I'll check next time we resume, but examine the pictures England has fallen though they are resisting elsewhere.

In thoery he can deploy right in front of me but my aircraft can combat his troops and I can from ther determine that they're all weak and attack directly. Or flank and surround.

Gibraltar I think will be put on hold until after I win in... 6 months. :D

[Gollevainen]

well i think te first round of the war has now completed. German did invade me, couth me out of suprise...I cannot somehow see any of his troop strengths so Im acting bit blindly....But heh, I thougth it would be a joyride to Moscow for germany, But it prooved out to be something else...

My orginal strategy was to use the depth and width of my area in my benefit in proper Areal defence doctrine's fashion...It proved out that My shock and near paralyzing prevented me to do anything in the first days of the war But gradually i have become to gain the advantage and Now the German offensive is blocked even before they havent even managed to properly cross Southern-Dvina and Dnerp rivers that forms my 'natural' mental-defence line...damn that they managed to destruc completely one of my best armoured unit in too eager surround attempt...it fall into its own trap...

now as the the inniate is on my behalv I have cunning attack plan on my mind...reserves, reserves, they will be the cruical part of this campaing... Hope Ender did some screenshots to enlighten you more properly....


So like Led Zeppelin sung..."Your Time is gonna come..."

[Ender Wiggin]

Here's me: http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8871/photo00534bs.png

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The war begins...


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Golle attacked to earnestly and as a result I managed to encircle 10 divisions.

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And as the borders stand now...

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7714/encirclementprt24iv.gif

We managed to just encircle 25 Russian divisions.

[Ender Wiggin]

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9396/russia3ip.gif

Race to Stalingrad!

Game Over,

It was a long fight but the Axis have defeated the SU, in November 19th 1941.

My side:

My main problems was that Gollevainen did good by withdrawing instead of challenging me for the border, also for a short while his stacks of 20 divisions were effective in limitinh my attempts to encircle.

However, Golle's difficulties I think are this: I did not see all of his troops in Western russia and I think a good 20 divisions were in Siberia at this time.

My concentrating he had less forces to defend his flanks and when the stacks died t left huge holes in his lines when he should've been defending in deph, allowing me in and to capture some troops from time to time and await when i make a mistake or 2.

In short gg.

[Gollevainen]

Well I think its not so shame to lose a dude who looks like Harry Potter....:D :D ....Dont take it as offense....


well seriously, The main key to my lost is the sudden lost of 40 divisons in the south/Ukranian front. And all into same mistake that I did too eagerly short-thougth counter attacks and they only ended up in encirceled by Enders troops. Also, When Ever I got advantage i failed to exploid it, merely couse i had no clue Of Enders troop strengths and therefore didnt know the overal picture of the game...So basicly I was too inexperienced player....

...or it was All Vyautas fault:mad: ....:p :p

But anayway, I think I learn bit of the game now...

[Vytautas]

40 divisons in the south/Ukranian front
My front :D
We managed to just encircle 25 Russian divisions.
My plan :D
or it was All Vyautas fault
Indeed it was.Next time play more defensive.You lose organisation by youre countless counterattacks and archieve nothing.Also if youre attacking dont advance too far and always keep your flanks covered.You lost those 25 divs mainly because you had youre flanks covered by only 1 division (atleast from my side).

[Gollevainen]

Indeed it was.Next time play more defensive.You lose organisation by youre countless counterattacks and archieve nothing.Also if youre attacking dont advance too far and always keep your flanks covered.You lost those 25 divs mainly because you had youre flanks covered by only 1 division (atleast from my side).

well i did cover these faults in my answer...Guess i should have needed co-comander to my south also:D

[Ender Wiggin]

That's why in armies there's what we call a Heiarchy(sp?) , by delegating tasks one is able to probly command a large army elsewise it gets too unwieldy.

Likewise, to a certain degree allowing the Germans deep into your territory IS a good thing, in WWII the Germans got so far so fast that it got to the point where they were too exhausted to defend themselves from the Russian winter offencive, an offencive which the Germans never fully recovered.

The war turned into a protracted war of attrition too fast for you, it got to the point where I could use experiance and better commanders that for as long as you kept your troops too concentrated I could always for 1 for 1 defeat your troops.

However I realize I/we made some collasol mistakes, Vytautus nearly lost an HQ and some 6 division before. I didn't reasearch some fo the TC techs, I also never had time to fully work on upgrades, I had 39' infantry and 39' Motorized divisions.

Next time I say we play all as allied nations with the Axis AI controlled and see how well we can work together. (within historical accuracy)

Also, I think for next game we should all install the DAIM mod, it drastically improves the AI cuz' damnit when I enter Berlin I wanna feel like I earned it.

Download it here:
http://hlawatsch.dyndns.org/hoi/ai-modding/DAIM-20060107.exe

Next, also to install this without having to change the version of the original Hoi2 if you have the space you can COPY the Hoi2 original directory into another folder say "DAIM Hearts of Iron 2" and install daim INTO that directory, hopefully you'll have the HD space.

(Oh and no one be France)

[Gollevainen]

Ok...But still I blame the fact that i didnt had any clue of youir troop strnegths...it related to most of my mistakes and the fact that i couldnt do any long term plannign...

but i see if I can download this...

[Vytautas]

(Oh and no one be France)
As a matter of fact it is possible to win as france.You just have to extend the maginot line to the british chanel and then the german panzers wont be able to pass.Also when Germany attacks poland we can attack Germany over the siegfried line.This wouldnt be ahistorical.

[Ender Wiggin]

Actually the reason why the French/British couldn't attack the siegfried line was because the Germans won so fast in Poland that the Anglo-Franco alliance hadn't enough time to mobilize yet.

But the thing is I want the war to draw out past 1941 so thus I want France to lose.

Also, a rule just occured to me, only take over the control of a "minor" power, don't take over the military of a "major" power, for example, if Britain don't take control of france or Poland.

Also, I did have a game where I had the farsight to build up the siegfried line which is only level 3 forts. if level 8 the usual garrison placed can do whatever it wants and the Brits and French wouldn't be able to do anything.

Now the Maginot line has 4 province to extend over, that is 20 IC and possible the bulk of your 1936-1940 time to build until 1938 advance construction tech.

Also thats 20 IC, with a country with only a around 40-60 for most of the game until war time you probly won't have 20 IC to waste on forts.

But in either case, the powers I think we should be would be USA, UK, SSSR, Nationalist China (until I can figure out why I can't get another china's troops as ComChi).

If we could get a game going where we could get 5 people then instead of being USSR I'ld be Germany. But if we have 4 or less I'll be USSR. We should have a USA/UK.

Also Gollevainen, a big part of Hoi2 that comes with practice is choosing the right techs, I almost never go down the strategic bomber path for one, and sometimes I dont go down the naval doctrines.

Also try to research stuff that is only 1 year ahead with as many of those "boxes" in your tech team lighted up since each one is a bonus to your tech research.

What should be concentrated on, is Industrial research (for IC bonus) construction (to unlock the assembly lines), the computer techs such as encyption/decryption encyption makes it harder for your enemy to figure out how many troops you have, decryption makes it easier to break the enemy codes and figure out how many troops THEY have.

Also they're a penalty if you research techs that are too far away, for example don't research 1940 tech if its only 1937 if they'res a 1938/37 tech availiable. you get more done this way.

[Gollevainen]

Im planning to go on to my parents flat in next weekend so i wont be able to play in then...But guess i need to practice bit more before the next game:D :D


Also Gollevainen, a big part of Hoi2 that comes with practice is choosing the right techs, I almost never go down the strategic bomber path for one, and sometimes I dont go down the naval doctrines.

Also try to research stuff that is only 1 year ahead with as many of those "boxes" in your tech team lighted up since each one is a bonus to your tech research.

What should be concentrated on, is Industrial research (for IC bonus) construction (to unlock the assembly lines), the computer techs such as encyption/decryption encyption makes it harder for your enemy to figure out how many troops you have, decryption makes it easier to break the enemy codes and figure out how many troops THEY have.

Also they're a penalty if you research techs that are too far away, for example don't research 1940 tech if its only 1937 if they'res a 1938/37 tech availiable. you get more done this way


yeah, these are the parts that I handle most insufficent sofar...Im more conserded to deploy rigth kind of troops into rigth positions and to get the troops I feel rigth in the shortest possiple way...In practice it propaply cost me most

[Ender Wiggin]

Well remember these:

Tanks and Motorized divisions travel fastest on terrain with high infastructure.

Motorized tend to slow down in lower inf provinces.

Mech are good for all terrain.

The higher the organization the better chance you have of winning.

If the strength of troops gets to be too low the division will be annililated.

try to deploy troops somewhat behind the lines in areas that need the troops so that they have time to organize.

Tanks own.

Try to prepare in deph if possible, I avoided your large concentrations of troops by keeping weaker formations somewhat infront by about a territory.

Brigades, artilly or Armoured car brigades for Infantry allow them to be alot tougher.

tanks always try to put Tanker hunter, engineers, or self propelled artillery. They wont get slowed down and they'll have a bigger punch.

I organize my troops in corps of 3's.

3 Panzer Divizions under a Lt. General is a Corps.

3 Infantry divisions

3 Motorized divisions

all in 3's.

Infantry you can probly get away with in 6/8's under a Major General.

Planes can be organized in 4's.

Aircraft require too much explanation I suggest look around the Hoi2 forums in www.paradoxplaza.com for a in dpeh explaination.

[Gollevainen]

Tanks and Motorized divisions travel fastest on terrain with high infastructure

Hmmm does the winter/wheater affect on any manner, to the movment? Also, who the supply system works in this game? In real life, Germans lost basicly from the lack of decent support by the overhelming supply distances....

I organize my troops in corps of 3's.

but about the organisation, Does the game allow you to organise these 'corps' into armyes, so that there would be a commander for this bigger echelon as well as retaining the corps commanders? And armyes to front or army groups?

I mean In least my 'comon' sense sees two key factor for military succses, the rigth type of force concentration and good reserve (or at least thats what I've learn) ...so basicly what I tryed to do was to get as big as possiple units in the choce points to surpass you by their sheer strength, but trying to keep also a formidaple reserves in near by of each 'fronts' that envolped into the game...thougth As i wasent able to say nothing of your troops I failed to exploid my succses in rigth manner. I easilly ignored that your flanking provinces migth contain strong troops to surround me after my counter attacks and that what they did...

[Ender Wiggin]

Hmmm does the winter/wheater affect on any manner, to the movment? Also, who the supply system works in this game? In real life, Germans lost basicly from the lack of decent support by the overhelming supply distances....



but about the organisation, Does the game allow you to organise these 'corps' into armyes, so that there would be a commander for this bigger echelon as well as retaining the corps commanders? And armyes to front or army groups?

I mean In least my 'comon' sense sees two key factor for military succses, the rigth type of force concentration and good reserve (or at least thats what I've learn) ...so basicly what I tryed to do was to get as big as possiple units in the choce points to surpass you by their sheer strength, but trying to keep also a formidaple reserves in near by of each 'fronts' that envolped into the game...thougth As i wasent able to say nothing of your troops I failed to exploid my succses in rigth manner. I easilly ignored that your flanking provinces migth contain strong troops to surround me after my counter attacks and that what they did...

well you can "organize" say 30 divisions in a province into 10 corps of 3 and all say under the command of lt generals.

However if you can promote one of them to field Marshall then in a battle your troops will get a bonus if under the command of a field marshall, otherwise there's a penalty for having too many lt generals.

But to promote a general costs experiance, at a point promotion may not be worth it, since a field marshall with no skill points may not be as good as a Major general with 4 skill points.

the difference between corps and army is slight, one is just bigger its an "army" with some 6+ divisions I think but its only an aestetic value.

[Gollevainen]

but basicly you can only build two-level command echelon...only play whit its size or commanders?

So i must pay bit more intress in that field also... i have find it somewhat difficoult to operate whit too many small formations, but bigger units, like 12+ divisons in corps (army, what ever you call it) It says that even Field marshall isent adequote to lead it but you cannot promotre it to any higher. That just doesent make any sense so I have had to sacrifice something while working with 'ill lead' units

[Ender Wiggin]

its meant to disgerage players from building a hundred divisions and throwing them all at someone so yuo get penalties if your commanding too many divisions, I dont quite know what the exact number a field marshall can have. your best off at the beginning bringing all og your western russia troops into moscow and reorganizing it as you see fit.

[Ender Wiggin]

Alright, so what was the situation Gollevainen? Would you be able to make it for wensday morning? Who else here is up for it 8 AM Eastern standard time.

Of the availiable members with Hoi2:

Ger_Mark

SwimmerX

Vytautus

Gollevainen

you guys availiable for 8? Allies only game of: Uk, USA, SSSR, and Nationalist China? with DAIM installed?

[swimmerXC]

I'm keeping away from games tills Spring Break.... and 8AM I'm still in high school. :(

[Gollevainen]

well in 8am of your time is something like 2 pm in here so I would be in school...and this week is rather heavy so, im afraid i cannot play

[Ender Wiggin]

Okay, we'll reshedual to a time until we all have a break, howabout the weekend after this?

[Gollevainen]

I'm not sure yet...i know better in the end of the week...but weekends suites me better than mon-friday...

[swimmerXC]

I'm not sure yet...i know better in the end of the week...but weekends suites me better than mon-friday...

funny enough I just finnished the tourtorial one monday, yes week-ends; i gave up sleeping on weekends so might as well duel it out with Golly then

[Gollevainen]

So guess that seals my decission...So in weekend after this? And lets hope we can cather as much popula to participate, so It would be worth of the wasting one weekend to it.

[Ender Wiggin]

woot, we need i think at least 4 people, for an allies only, 5 or 6 would be enough for me to be Germany again. I somewhat anxious about anyone but me playing Germany hehehe.....

[Gollevainen]

Funny thing that i tryed to sort of "what went wrong wiht my tacticks" type of thing and started a campaing of 1938 (i played soviets)...it went well untill it got time to beat finland..well that went ok too but then i realized that France and poland had occupied almoust entire Germany (???) It sort of taked the interest out of the game as there wasen't going to be no barbarosa...

...So i'm wondering, is there anyways to make sure that the computer plays by the history??? That German does what it supposed to do and conquers France and Poland and not the other way around?

[Ender Wiggin]

it is very VERY rare for poland and france to defeat Germany, try playing the 1941 campaign or the barbarossa scenario to try out tactics, the only disadvantage is that you can't work on a build strategy but at least you can play from a tactical standpoint.

[Ender Wiggin]

Okay, WHO is able to play 2-3 PM ish German/Finnish time next weekend March 25th? Depending on the number of players:

If 5 or more I shot gun Germany.

If 4 or less USSR.

And try to get the DAIM mod and make sure you follow instructions on how to make a "mod directory"

[Gollevainen]

What's DAIM mod???

...Golly can always be USSR....

[Ender Wiggin]

Well I wanna try out DAIM if we're short on players, since the AI even on furious doesn't know how to build the right stuff.

Basically if were lacking players I wanna try an "allies only" game where we choose only non axis players. However if we have enough then I want to be Germany so the AI isn't crushed.

[Gollevainen]

so this requires some new stuff to be uploaded?

[Ender Wiggin]

I provided a link me thinks and instructions in the previous page.

[Gollevainen]

ok...I have to run it when i get back to my flat

[Ender Wiggin]

Alright, we're approching D-Day, how many are able to play 2-3 pm finnish time?

[Gollevainen]

Satunday thios weekend?? Gollevainen;)

[Ender Wiggin]

Alright, that makes it 3 so far, me Golle and Ger_mark. Now I'm waiting for replies. from FreeAsia, Vytautus and Swimmer X, is there anyone I'm forgettting?

[swimmerXC]

MAN...
i totally suck at this game.... i still have no idea what to do

[T-U-P]

same here swimmer, you're not the only one. i tried diplomacy options and seems no one wants to accept any offer that requires them to give me stuff.

and 2:00pm finnish time would mean 4:00am vancouver, so obviously i can't.

[Ender Wiggin]

you have to have a 80 or more chance of them accepting the deal keep track of the green/red number under the slider bars.

[Gollevainen]

Sorry to inform but I think my Hoi2 days are over. My computer broke down once again and now it seems that it's all related to the Hoi2...all proplems started when i downloaded it. So now i have to send it once again to my trusted russian comp. engineer who surely can fix it, but i'm not going to risk it anymore and i have to whipe out the game. Sorry it went this way...:( :(

[Ender Wiggin]

woah woah woah, tell me what operating system it has and the system specs, if you use windows goto start > run > dxdiag

save all information and email it to me at blayne.bradley@gmail.com

allow me to see if it did cause the problem or not and I can probly tell you how to avoid it.

for one thing what exactly are the problems your experiancing, any error messahes? what are the side effects.

[Gollevainen]

but my windows isent opening...it makes funky sound and tryes to open windows (you can practically hear, how hard it tryes) but then it says that it cannot be opened

[Ender Wiggin]

you mean when you turn on your computer Windows doesn't load or if you try to explore your files it won't open individual windows?

Also how much space in GB does your computer have in total and how much free space did you have prior to installing Hoi2.

In either case Hoi2 shouldn't have had anything to do with it, I suggest a clean format, reinstall windows, the updates, and then the Anti spyware, anti virus software, reinstall your games and it should work as good as new.

When was the last time you formatted it? Was there anything else did you do that may have caused it? Is it possible you have a virus?

[Gollevainen]

Windows XP doesent open/load at all...It all collapsed while i was copying the file for the DAIM update. I had to boot the machine and after that It havent opened since...

[Ender Wiggin]

so your using someone else's computer I assume? Are you able to use Hoi2 on the computer your able to use? It would be a shame not to be able to play.

when it boots up keep pressing f8 or f5/6 I'm unsure which and get to the boot menu, from there change boot priority to the CD-ROM and boot from your xp disk and format your computer I garantee it will work after that.

Also I garantee that the problem is not related to Hoi2 by any means.

[Gollevainen]

Well i using my brothers Laptop...so I wont be able to play in this weekend...i will take my computer to the guy whome i get it in monday and we'll see if there is anything salavaged by the end of the next week...

[Ender Wiggin]

kk, people aside from gollevainen its 8 AM here in Canada should to be 2-3 in eruope get on icq/msn already!

[Gollevainen]

Well yesterday was a grabby day in general, first some brick poured milk on my jeans in schools cantin, then when i got home and starting to make the DAIm update the computer cracked down...so then they shut down the Keypublishing forum...and finaly, the thing that pisses me most...in this Led Zeppelin forum, some guy offered me the complete '79 Knebworht gig in bootleg DVD, but as my computer craked down i couldn't recieve it...so you can imagine just how great weekend this is going to be:mad: :mad:

[Ender Wiggin]

ack that is bad. I hope you can backup your files if your forced to format.

[Gollevainen]

Alright my computer is returned to me and nothing is damaged. Tough we had to delete the seccond copy of the HOI2 and i was adviced by the builder of my comp, that i shouldn't download any more updates...:confused:

Well i'm not going to risk my comp again so i have to take his advice. But i think we can still play in the older way, without the DAIM?

[Ender Wiggin]

daim is not a patch/update its just a mod to improve the AI and doesnt change the registry settings or damage the computer in any way. But it is time consumming to make a backup of Hoi2 so I geuss we'll just use vanilla hoi2 for now.

[Gollevainen]

Ok lets take it back....the bloody comp isen't still working properly...the guy who was fixing it weren't awere of the real propelm and didn't check it (he just tought there were some bugs....) so i quess we need to wait yeat another week to sort this thing out. But i'm afraid the news can be very bad as I myself fear that the entire harddisc is gonna crack....