PLA camoflauge

[drunkhomer]

just a question....y does da pla hav such ugly cammoflauges ...example would be their blue,green,white cammo.....its not pratical...dey'l easily be spotted

[lazzydigger]

If I am not wrong, the camo that you are talking about is for the Marines only. White sand, blue water and green vegitations, that is where these color come from. Besides, camo are not designed to look good in general. And it is also limited by region it will be used in. Depends on the vegitation, soil and weather condition.

Hope that helps.

(Personally, i don't like german's summer camo.. too spoty, from aesthetic point of view, of course)

John Qi

[Liberator]

You say they are ugly eh. I think now, You think PLA will wear blue, white camo in jungles and such. Nope, we ain't stupid. Its for Marines...

[MIGleader]

there are some pics of that camo ive seen. but its always marine camo. the army uses green, light green, and maybe brown on their uniform. the uniform changes often, based on the designs of other countries.

[Vanguard1688]

The marine uniform is dumb because where the heck are they going to blend in once they 've landed.

[MIGleader]

there job is to secure the beachhead and hold it until the army arives. it is still effective beyond the beach, though it may stand out a bit more. but its fine for cities too.

[drunkhomer]

my point is...dat cammo doesnt blend in in any enviroment

[MIGleader]

you have obviously not seen matines in excercise on the beach. the chinese arnt stupid. the camo must work.

[Vanguard1688]

you have obviously not seen matines in excercise on the beach. the chinese arnt stupid. the camo must work.
Doesn't look like they're blending in.

[Vanguard1688]

I dunno how they're going to blend in in a urban environment

[ahho]

for some reason their bag blend in better. Probably this is the marines landing and ran into forest.

[drunkhomer]

but still....it doesnt blend in on da beaches!!!!!!!!!!!!

[T-U-P]

but it blends in with the sea, you cant really design a camo that would blend in everything. how big is the beach? it'll be pretty obvious even if someone's wearing yellow/white camo. so might as well make it the sea colour.

[FriedRiceNSpice]

the uniform changes often, based on the designs of other countries.

How does other countries unifroms affect PLA uniforms? Do you mean that the PLA copies the camo of other nations? So every time another nation makes a new uniform, the PLA scrap their old ones and copy the new one of the other country?


I dunno how they're going to blend in in a urban environment


I dont think any cammo could be used in an urban environment. Even black, gray, and white wouldn't work, since there are so many different colors in cities.

[T-U-P]

since there are so many different colors in cities.
rainbow colours,yay!!! :p :p :p

[FriedRiceNSpice]

rainbow colours,yay!!! :p :p :p

Yeah, thats a good one. Might as well replace the PLA insignias and shoulder patches with purple triangles while you're at it.

[PiSigma]

there's this dark grey, light grey, white, black camo for urban i think, it was in the 99 parade, wore by the army or para guys can't remember.

[Vanguard1688]

Whats the point of blending in with the sea, as a marine you will probably spend most of your time on the beach and the forests around it.

[drunkhomer]

y would u need a cammo 2 belnd in wif da sea....its not like china is gonna invade taiwan by swimming across the strait :D ....but anyways...not my point....there gonna do most of their fighting on land....sooo i say best is just hav jungle and desert cammo

[MIGleader]

taiwan dosn't have jungles or deserts. it does have fields and cities, and the marine uniform will do fine. its actually pretty efective in the city. its not like there arn't army troops helping them.

[swimmerXC]

taiwan dosn't have jungles or deserts. it does have fields and cities, and the marine uniform will do fine. its actually pretty efective in the city. its not like there arn't army troops helping them.

it's got lots of mountains covered with trees :(

[MIGleader]

why would you want to fight there? i doubt most roc soldiers would resort to guerrila tactics. i mean, losing to china isn't like losing to Us. its not the end of the world. and you can always send army troops in helicopters to flush them out.

[swimmerXC]

why would you want to fight there? i doubt most roc soldiers would resort to guerrila tactics. i mean, losing to china isn't like losing to Us. its not the end of the world. and you can always send army troops in helicopters to flush them out.

military bases...? chen probably got a bunker somewhere in there and there's some airfields between mountains

[MIGleader]

just forget chen and his bunker. just wait till his supplies run out. mountain airfields...chinese sattelites can see them and bombers can destroy them.

[Obcession]

The best way of getting rid of those airfields is an hour or two after declaration of war (or does China need to declare war anyways? Well it's not fully independent), send heliborne or parachuters to capture the airfields in a surprise attack, and you just might capture some planes (just might). I believe the fight for these airfields will be quick. Also dropping in a few mountain infantry units couldn't hurt.

[TerraN_EmpirE]

How does other countries unifroms affect PLA uniforms? Do you mean that the PLA copies the camo of other nations? So every time another nation makes a new uniform, the PLA scrap their old ones and copy the new one of the other country? I think ( hope) what he meant was that when another army comes up with a new camo uniform that has features that look good it's likely that the home army will try to work them in to there uniforms. just look at CADPAT (http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/details.asp?autono=77) & MARPAT (http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/details.asp?autono=115).

The chinese Marine Camo (http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/details.asp?autono=124) might be meant for activity in a darker enviroment like a night landing and it does seem to do Camo's true Job. Breaking up the human form.


I dont think any cammo could be used in an urban environment. Even black, gray, and white wouldn't work, since there are so many different colors in cities.

Mostly true In an urban, However Camouflage is not really meant to make you invisible, it's true aim is to break up the human shape. Via using Randomized variations of color the eye gets confused and If you are trying to aim Camo can make you think your target is closer or farther, going left when there going right and at night it can really trick the mind into confusing a Man aiming at you for a tree. The reason we chose colors for camo is to help break up the shape of a human even more in the hopes that it will really trick the eye into near invisibility that is also why snipers wear Bush suits.

here is an exsample (http://www.wallpaper.net.au/wallpaper/animals/Zebra%202%20-%201024x768.jpg) of how camo works. Zebra are one of the most lovely animals in the world. but there choice of dress is not a accident. Zebra's primary predators are Cats ( BIG FREAKEN CATS!!). Cats are smart and good predators with wonderful night vision but that night vision comes at a price, they are color blind. So when a lion sneaking up on Zebra looks to try and determine the strength of the herd all he sees is a moving striped blob. he can't pick out individuals he can't tell a Rear from a head. True Zebra do get caught but those tend to be the ones who moved away from the Herd and the lion could see it was all by it's self.


PS

@ PISigma this it? (http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/details.asp?autono=120)

[Neko]

Have you seen any of the USN's proposed uniform changes?

If I can get this upload thing to work, I'll show you.

Edit: Ok, so the only one I managed to get uploaded screwed up. So, instead:

Our current working uniform:
http://www.seafarer.com/gallery.htm

It refers to it as the 'new Navy working uniform,' aka the Utilities, which replaced Dungarees. I preferred Dungarees.


This has a picture of two proposed working uniforms:
http://homepage.mac.com/rpar01/iblog/B1550878829/C661617635/E29322721/

http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=22302
http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=22301
http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=22334
http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=22065

http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=2445393&nav=23iiS7JP

[PiSigma]

ya those are the ones i was talking about. they had it in the 99 parade, and also showed in a lot of promotional pics that have cities in the background. lightly armed, seems like they are uniforms for paras that's suppose to drop into cities. since blown up concret is grey/blackish i guess.

[Neko]

No, these uniforms aren't tactical. If we're put in a tactical environment, we switch to greens, or marine digis.

[ger_mark]

http://homepage.mac.com/rpar01/iblog/B1550878829/C661617635/E29322721/Media/tfuserviceuniform350.jpg
looks like old ww2 style...

[MIGleader]

this isn't for camo, just parade and other service. an its definitly not chinese, so stay on topic.

[drunkhomer]

if u read da article it said "The new kind of camouflage is not really meant to keep sailors from being seen, but is more to keep stains from standing out."

[PiSigma]

i don't see the point of giving camo to sailors, since they are on a ship.. and ships are destroyed by missiles and torpedos. it doesn't matter how many people's on there or if you see them or not. people try to sink the ship. there's no need for sailors to "blend" into the ship, kinda dumb idea. no one tries to kill the sailors one by one, they just try to blow up the ship and get it over with. sailors can wear bright red for all i care, if by the time an enemy ship can see the ship with sailors on it, then one of the ships should already be 3/4 under the water. it's only the troops that operate more indepently like army, or marines that needs to blend into the environment. a sailor in water should be wearing things that could be easily seen so can get rescued.

[MIGleader]

or if he could be easily seen by the enemy and killed or captured.

[FriedRiceNSpice]

or if he could be easily seen by the enemy and killed or captured.

The only country that kills helpless sailors in the water is Japan. Most countries would rescue the sailors and then hold them as POWs. Personally, I'd rather be picked up by the enemy and sent to a military detention camp than being left there in the water to either freeze to death or die of thirst.

[PiSigma]

exactly, that's why i rather give sailors red uniforms or something, so if they are in the water, someone will see them and bring them out of the water. sailors are usually picked up by the enemy if their ship sank and put into a POW camp like any other soldier according to the Geneva convention. killing them in the water would be a war crime.

[T-U-P]

killing them in the water would be a war crime.
well...it's not a crme until it's been discovered.

but wearing red would definately make you stand out, so you're a more obvious target for the enemy in the first place.

[FriedRiceNSpice]

well...it's not a crme until it's been discovered.

but wearing red would definately make you stand out, so you're a more obvious target for the enemy in the first place.

But if they don't see you, you could freeze to get EATEN BY SHARKS!!! :eek: Or worse, you can die of thirst!!!!

[PiSigma]

in modern warfare, by the time you actually see the enemy ship with naked eye, and still didn't fire missiles at it, then there's something wrong with your ship. and if there still are enemy ships around to wait for your ship to get close enough for you to see their sailors, the color of the sailor uniforms won't make a difference anymore.

[sumdud]

Sailors don't need camoflage. They are suck in the ship anyway, what's the point. They aren't going to shoot you one by one(No, not even sabotagers), just shoot a missile as you from 50 k away. Red camo might be good. But it's weird........

As for China, sailors have white uniform, so it improves their discipline, yet it also stands out in the water. I guess Chinese sailors have things to kill time with, just talking about the uniform.

As for the paratroopers, they have the black, gray, white uniform. It probably works well in Taiwan, but not in Basrah(comparison). But it won't work well in the fields AROUND the target city though, where they must land first.

[swimmerXC]

they only wear the white when it's formal ithink, if it not the sub ppl where blue overalls and ships ppl waer dark blue

[TerraN_EmpirE]

they only wear the white when it's formal ithink, if it not the sub ppl where blue overalls and ships ppl waer dark blue
Ok Navy Time. First US NAVY wears White in the summer Black in winter. then there are office and class A uniforms for non formal ( the pic above)
and then Newest Uniforms are meant for Work where In denim Would get all messed up Places like Sea bases, Carriers, Complex Tasks that would stain a pair of jeans the Blue Camo pattern is meant to hide Stains. If the navy needs to hit the field they use Marine or Classic BDU's.

[Vanguard1688]

Nice camo

http://www.anyboard.net/gov/mil/anyboard/uploads/BeijingMRlogistic26_74189.jpg

[rommel]

Nice camo

http://www.anyboard.net/gov/mil/anyboard/uploads/BeijingMRlogistic26_74189.jpg

seem like a copy of the US old Desert Storm desert camouflage.

[Red Guard]

ja, it is. PLA copies cam from other countries, mostly these are not issued, but some .... are issued to paticular units,it's weird.......