china strengthen censorship on military forum

[silverpike]

nowadays, military is a very hot topic for the chinese internets users, mostly youth.
in past few years,great number of chinese military fourms and communities have been set up by the military fans of china.
after years of expansion, those fourms became really huge! some leading miitary fourms, such as 'tiexue'(iron blood), dingshen dynasty...even have more than half million register users!
but, recently, those websites starting to get attentions form both chinese government and foreign intelligence for sercurity reasons...
some of the fans on those fourms seems get over-excited about the chinese military buildup. their curiosity about PLA lead them to a worng path. cause by their lack sense of national scercurity, they trying to dig up every bit of information they can find about PLA, and put them on internet!photos, documents, rumors, even conversations with their relatives who serve in PLA.
what they don't know is, their enthusiastic works is closely and quitely watched by forgein agents.
only few works ago, a military fan posted a pic of a PLAAF air-base in guangdong, where F-16 models were build for PLAAF's bombing practice. only few days later, that pic appeared all over taiwan's media, as a evident of PLA's military threat! this was just one example, the similar incident happening repeatly those days.

since PLA rise the level of security after 'serveal incidents' in the army, it became harder for other country's agents to gather information of PLA. but now ,the internet saftey has become a new issue for chinese national sercurity department. the situation has also caught the attentions of chinese internet police, last year, serveal military fourm were shut down by the government...

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ok, personally,i believe, unlike politics, the censorship on military information is of course 'legitimate'. but is it possible for the chinese govenment to watch millions of internet users and keep them in line?and how much damage it(classified inforamtions leaking form internet) will do to PLA?
i heard that some posters were invited to police or security department for 'tea', i have no idea if it's ture or just rumors.

acutally, there are many 'valuable' stuff on this site! few days ago, in chinese military community, 'rumors' said that''the japanese intelligence was never aware new Y-8Ew/ELINT's existence until they saw the photo on sino-defence.com'' !

[Roger604]

Censorship makes a lot of sense here. The state security apparatus should monitor them to make sure no classified information is revealed. But at the same time, forums can be a good source of novel ideas even for professionals.

[Baibar of Jalat]

acutally, there are many 'valuable' stuff on this site! few days ago, in chinese military community, 'rumors' said that''the japanese intelligence was never aware new Y-8Ew/ELINT's existence until they saw the photo on sino-defence.com'' !

For any military i be worried about the speculation regarding the capibilities of this and other military hardware.

What relistically can governments do to counter this problem?

[crobato]

the japanese intelligence was never aware new Y-8Ew/ELINT's existence until they saw the photo on sino-defence.com'' !

If that is the case, then Japanese intelilgence is incompetant. I always have some question on the competence of the Japanese military after they allowed that Ming sub to closely shadow their exercises without being detected, or for that matter, decades ago, how Victor Belenko and his defecting MiG-25 managed to get through all the JASDF defenses and radar screens and managed to suddenly land on a Japanese airport.

It also looks like US intel never caught the Yuan too, until the first photos showed up. By then, China is already preparing to bring the Yuan out of secrecy as the sub moved to populated areas where even better pics are shot.

I think one of the most stinging shots was the picture of the Boeing 737 that appeared being converted into a command post. I thought the picture originated from a defense expo, or it appeared to me it was shot from an airport runaway. The US lodged an official complaint after this, since export stipulations forbid the use of US originated equipment for military uses and I think the CCP goverment wasn't very happy as a result. The US neocon media such as Newsmax and China threat watchers like Bill Goertz had a field day from this.

By the way, the Y-8 balance beam and other Y-8 variants also appeared in CCTV. I guess that balance beam project has been declassified.

[ger_mark]

WAFF forums are unable to reach from China. What about this one ?

[ArjunMk1]

China should rather strengthen its control on sensitive Military info. At least foreign agents are not fools to have forums as their source , they have many agents and devices for this purpose !!!

[silverpike]

WAFF forums are unable to reach from China. What about this one ?

this forum wasn't blocked when i was in china, which was half a year ago.i have no idea now...
actually, this fourm is pretty well known among chinese military fans.

[silverpike]

If that is the case, then Japanese intelilgence is incompetant. I always have some question on the competence of the Japanese military after they allowed that Ming sub to closely shadow their exercises without being detected, or for that matter, decades ago, how Victor Belenko and his defecting MiG-25 managed to get through all the JASDF defenses and radar screens and managed to suddenly land on a Japanese airport.

It also looks like US intel never caught the Yuan too, until the first photos showed up. By then, China is already preparing to bring the Yuan out of secrecy as the sub moved to populated areas where even better pics are shot.

I think one of the most stinging shots was the picture of the Boeing 737 that appeared being converted into a command post. I thought the picture originated from a defense expo, or it appeared to me it was shot from an airport runaway. The US lodged an official complaint after this, since export stipulations forbid the use of US originated equipment for military uses and I think the CCP goverment wasn't very happy as a result. The US neocon media such as Newsmax and China threat watchers like Bill Goertz had a field day from this.

By the way, the Y-8 balance beam and other Y-8 variants also appeared in CCTV. I guess that balance beam project has been declassified.

hey, check this out! it's on sina.com(major chinese online media) military news!! i have highlight the part with red color...

http://jczs.sina.com.cn/2005-12-22/1520339421.html
　
在2005年的最后一个月，中国让世界目瞪口呆：在短短半个月时间里，中国官方媒体先后曝光了至少三种类型 的第三代军用战机。正式登台的中国新型战机也引起了各方的高度关切。


　　运—8雷达电子试验机触动日本敏感神经

　　12月14日，日本《产经新闻》刊出“独家消息”称，日本防卫厅从网上意外获得了“中国电子侦察机”Y —8EW的照片。如获至宝的日本防卫厅紧急抽调人力对其展开研究。

　　据日本《产经新闻》报道，日本防卫厅在一个名为“今日中国国防”的网站上发现了三张“中国电子战机”Y —8EW的照片。这三张照片对于日本防卫厅来说无疑是一个“巨大的惊喜”。

　　近来，随着中日“摩擦升温”，中日在东海油气问馍戏制缭嚼丛酱螅黾泄苫诙Ｉ峡辗尚校毡竞娇 兆晕蓝颖阋浴扒址噶炜铡蔽善捣迸沙稣交菇亍?/p>

　　不过，令日本自卫队非常失望的是，即便如此大张旗鼓，日本军方一直也没有搞清楚，从今年4月到10月“ 频频入侵”所谓日本领空30多次的中国军机到底是什么型号、性能如何。

　　因此，当英国的“今日中国国防”12月4日抛出所谓的“中国电子战机”照片时，日本防卫厅如获至宝，认 为通过这三张照片至少可以揣摩中国电子战飞机的部分秘密。据防卫厅知情人士透露，三张照片分别从Y—8EW 电子战机的正面、侧面及机体下部拍摄。整个飞机的机体与一般的中国军机没有特别大的区别，但机身侧面和下部 的十几个电子凸起物引起防卫厅的特别关注。防卫厅的分析人士认为，这些电子凸起物应该就是Y—8EW电子战 机用来搜集情报的装备。

　　“今日中国国防”称，中国的Y—8EW和美国的C—130“大力神”运输机一样，都是从单一的运输机发 展成为多种用途的飞机。中国的Y—8EW是4引擎涡轮螺旋桨式飞机。

　　过去，外界对中国的Y—8EW知之甚少，直到2004年夏天，人们才第一次目睹Y—8EW的影子。军事 专家称，虽然不清楚Y—8EW的具体构造和配备，但Y—8EW装备了非常先进的情报搜集系统，可以密切监视 敌军的电子活动，甚至可以阻断敌军联络和阻塞雷达系统。

　　其实日本防卫厅大可不必到英国的民间网站上去找照片，然后说三道四。因为12月16日，中国官方的人民 网上就刊出了中国运—8型雷达电子试验机的文章介绍。据该文章报道称：“运—8型雷达电子试验机是一种用于 空中电子设备试验的专用飞行平台，其总体构想是在尽可能接近原型机真实飞行环境下，满足机载雷达及航空电子 系统空中试验、调整及验证、鉴定的人机环境试验要求。”

　　运—8型雷达电子试验机由中国飞行试验研究院(CFTE)与其他有关单位合作在20世纪90年代初期开 始研制，1999年完成飞机总装，1999年8月首飞成功。运—8型雷达电子试验机作为雷达飞行试验平台， 主要有以下技术特点：

　　一、 良好的雷达试验环境：试验机平台内部空间大，不仅可满足各种不同雷达的改装要求，同时也可加装大量的试验支 持设施以满足不同雷达的使用要求，具有较好的通用性；

　　二、完善的测试条件：机载雷达通常需经过调整试飞，待性能稳定后方可开始定型试飞。由于现代雷达技术的 复杂性，使得调整试飞的难度和周期大大增加。而试验机由于得天独厚的条件，可以加装大量的专用测试设备，同 时试飞工程师可直接上机参与调试工作，这些都为雷达调整提供了优越条件；

　　三、更长的留空时间：该机采用的成熟技术可以使其保持较高的出勤率，同时试验机留空时间长，在一个飞行 场次中可完成更多的试飞科目，极大地缩短雷达试飞周期。飞机自正式交付使用以来，先后承担了多项机载多功能 火控雷达的调整和定型试飞任务。从2000年8月至2002年末，共完成科研试飞216架次586飞行小时 ，为我国今后的雷达和航电系统试飞积累了宝贵经验。特别是首次实现了雷达低空下视功能和多模式抗干扰科目试 飞，这是过去在原型机上从未进行过的高、难、复杂试飞科目。

sorry i do not have time to translate the whole text, but basically, it proved the rumor that japanese inteligence discover the y-8ew by logon sino-defence.com...haha, and it also point out that the photos was declassified and actually released on chinese offical website-[http://www.people.com.cn/] before, with introductions!
see, even their internet skill sucks!

[Gollevainen]

Originally Posted by ger_mark
WAFF forums are unable to reach from China. What about this one ?

well If everyone knows someone in the chinese end that makes these decissions, i would love to contact them, as potential censor for things...Im always need for extra cash and I remember that snicth are paid wel...:cool: :cool: :rolleyes:

well seriously, if some one is going to harm us, They will regret the day they even thougth of challenging me...:nono::nana:

this forum wasn't blocked when i was in china, which was half a year ago.i have no idea now...
actually, this fourm is pretty well known among chinese military fans.

well known but in what reputaition? Why doesent these 'fans' came here to post? I mean, there are lots of wery knowledgable guys out there posting over chinese issues but they seem to avoid this particular forum like balke...I think Deino has been one of the fews to enter here...I wonder where the proplem is..

[Aerodriver]

Sinodefence.com is definetly available in China.

[SampanViking]

quote - well known but in what reputaition? Why doesent these 'fans' came here to post? I mean, there are lots of wery knowledgable guys out there posting over chinese issues but they seem to avoid this particular forum like balke...I think Deino has been one of the fews to enter here...I wonder where the proplem - quote

I would guess it is a language thing. I wonder if Sinodefence opened a Chinese Language forum you would see more of these guys (I am sure that our Moderators of Chinese Origin would be only too happy to translate their postings for the rest of us).

[bd popeye]

I would guess it is a language thing. I wonder if Sinodefence opened a Chinese Language forum you would see more of these guys (I am sure that our Moderators of Chinese Origin would be only too happy to translate their postings for the rest of us).


Now that's an idea. That would be great. Just as long as the text could be translated to English or Finnish, ..ya' know what I mean...

As for the PRC cracking down on PRC military forums..Well they are just trying to protect the more sensitive information.

[Gollevainen]

Now that's an idea. That would be great. Just as long as the text could be translated to English or Finnish, ..ya' know what I mean...

:rofl:

But seriously, wouldn't it be bit difficoult if you first send your replyes to someone who then translates it and only after then it's posted in here? Mean imagine doing so when you get along interesting and fast moving discussion...

Now there are lots of knowlidgable (about PLA) guys able to post in english, but still avoiding this particular forum...(i don't mean any pseudoprofessionals who talk bigs but eventually yhave nothing to back them up) We had have few of those here unfortunetly.

[bd popeye]

But seriously, wouldn't it be bit difficoult if you first send your replyes to someone who then translates it and only after then it's posted in here? Mean imagine doing so when you get along interesting and fast moving discussion...

I just want some posters from the PRC to post their opinions in Chinese. Someone can translate it so i can read it. That's all. But..if everyone just posted in English that would be fine. But limiting the posting to English would probaly scare off some Chinese posters....

I would love to read some opinions of the someone that actually lives in the PRC..with no censorship of course.

[silverpike]

well If everyone knows someone in the chinese end that makes these decissions, i would love to contact them, as potential censor for things...Im always need for extra cash and I remember that snicth are paid wel...:cool: :cool: :rolleyes:

well seriously, if some one is going to harm us, They will regret the day they even thougth of challenging me...:nono::nana:



well known but in what reputaition? Why doesent these 'fans' came here to post? I mean, there are lots of wery knowledgable guys out there posting over chinese issues but they seem to avoid this particular forum like balke...I think Deino has been one of the fews to enter here...I wonder where the proplem is..

well , this is a english fourm to start with, besides a forgien professional PLA military webpage like this also seems 'sensitive'

[silverpike]

I just want some posters from the PRC to post their opinions in Chinese. Someone can translate it so i can read it. That's all. But..if everyone just posted in English that would be fine. But limiting the posting to English would probaly scare off some Chinese posters....

I would love to read some opinions of the someone that actually lives in the PRC..with no censorship of course.

well, i am form the mainland, although i don't live there right now, i go back every year. what do you want to know?