Is there any weakness PLA need address after peace mission 2005?

[lazzydigger]

Peace Mission 2005 is finished. It was a great show case and the UltraFang's thread did a nice job.

Now, the aim of exercise is to find weakness and study them. So far the only constructive feed back from any were is from a Japan and german magazion.

日本《新亚军事》报道：北京与俄罗斯刚刚结束了，联合军事演习。此次演习是中俄自友好以后一次极大规模的演 习。从卫星侦察所得情况来看，北京目前其陆军，主要弱点并不是以前所称。他的步坦配合，机械化集团推进都是 很优秀的，但是其快速空降打击，却很难令人满意。无论伞兵快速集结，还是空投准确性，都是很差。这一点，日 本还是可以感到欣慰的。一旦台海地区爆发事件，那么北京先期空降部队，肯定会损失惨重。这也是中共迟迟不敢 对台动手的原因之一。但是应该看到，那96式坦克的确如欧洲军事观察家所说“亚洲豹2”。看来日本 陆上自卫队的坦克，还需要以次更新。

德国《亚洲军事观察》：北京与俄国的军事联合演习，已经结束。此次演习，完全是北京这头睡醒的狮子在怒吼。 他展现着自己强大的力量。他陆军作战实力依旧如此强悍。从美国军事卫星拍照可以看出，此次T96式参加是一 个预先不为认知的情况。原先应该是T98。而此次在演习快要开始之前，临时改换T86上场，说明北京很可能 已经将其国内装甲部队，划分为2个级别。类似欧洲的本土以及战斗。而空降部队，将会在这次演习以后，逐步更 新包括运载机在内各种装备。空15军此次2次不成功的空降作战，完全暴露北京在此的不足。但是应该看到，该 军团也是处在装备更换期间。其部分部队已经更换新型伞具。此时会出现披露是可以理解的。因此该军团一旦完全 恢复作战状态，那么台海有何能力抵抗这个军团。



德国《竟报》评论员：北京此次2005军事演习，可以说热闹非凡。他们虽然极力显示自己的先进设备，但是依 旧摆脱不了，老式的作战观念。譬如，装备有先进的25mm火炮的战车，虽然具有动态打击能力，却依旧是停止 －射击－启动。这个老套路。不难看出，中共落后的军事观点，将会使他难以对付台海局势。

Is there any one have the detail about the bungle air drops by Airforce 15th army?

Any other "true" reviews?

Lazzydigger

[MIGleader]

can you tanslate it? i read chinese, but some of the very knoledgeable members of this forum dont.

[Obcession]

Well it basicly says the main Chinese weakness displayed in the exercise is their use of paratroopers which was very unsuccessful. The German source seemed very biased. The Japanese source also states the coordination of infantry and armor between the PLA was very satisfactory.

[T-U-P]

yes, obecession's got it.

so what exactly happened to the paratroopers? i missed the whole story, anyone care to fill me in?

[ger_mark]

did they made freindship with an aa-cannon tank ? :cool:

[rommel]

well, it's say that the Chinese Paratroopers were not drooped with accuracy and rally too slowly. Also said that the chinese IFV crew got IFV that can fight when driving, but during the exercise, the crew don't use correctly their IFV,they drive, stop, shot and move , stop, shot, move, etc.... The training wasn't very complete and they keep the old IFV using method...

[vincelee]

and considering that was the 15th airborne......

[ger_mark]

not to mention their ridiculously parachutes

[MIGleader]

the problem is the paratroops cant be dropped with their vehicles, requiring hook up time. the pla parachute force needs to increse coodination and tacics. other wise a drop into taiwan will be suicide. this exercise was an excellent way to see their weaknesses, so they can be adressed in the future.

[FriedRiceNSpice]

well, it's say that the Chinese Paratroopers were not drooped with accuracy and rally too slowly. Also said that the chinese IFV crew got IFV that can fight when driving, but during the exercise, the crew don't use correctly their IFV,they drive, stop, shot and move , stop, shot, move, etc.... The training wasn't very complete and they keep the old IFV using method...

Well, at least they have IFVs that can drive and shoot at the same time now.

[sumdud]

Well, at least they have IFVs that can drive and shoot at the same time now.
So? What's the net difference between having a stop and shot vehicle and having running shooter with a stop and shot crew?

Actually, it's worse, because it is the old vehicles are cheaper.

And I don't really like the idea of airborne IFVs. It gives you mobility, but the armor sucks, the vehicle isn't very adaptable(unlike the FAV). It's worse now that you can't drop the car with the crew inside.

[MIGleader]

the armor cant be there to save weight. it's not the mobility, it's the fire power that lets it punch through enemy defences. the armor is probably good enough for small arms fire. i dont like how you cant be dropped in it though. the pla can easily correct that flaw.

[rommel]

So? What's the net difference between having a stop and shot vehicle and having running shooter with a stop and shot crew?

Actually, it's worse, because it is the old vehicles are cheaper.

And I don't really like the idea of airborne IFVs. It gives you mobility, but the armor sucks, the vehicle isn't very adaptable(unlike the FAV). It's worse now that you can't drop the car with the crew inside.

well, shooting in moving give a harder target to hit for the ennemy, it's all about battlefield survivabilty.

[Su-27 Pilot]

PLA really needs more training on the Airborne Vehicle part and also paradrop training is essential for later exercises and conflicts.

[Chairman Hu]

I say better everything with the special forces, marine corps, airborne, etc...

[Su-27 Pilot]

I say better everything with the special forces, marine corps, airborne, etc...
That is right Mr. Chairman. PLA's Marine Corps are the youngest military branch in the Navy. Massive training exercise should be conducted to maintain the combat readiness for all of the PLA armed forces.

[MIGleader]

an airborne drop is very signifigant to taking taiwan. the pla needs ome more experience with the field. maybe they should do some drops in tukmenistan of afganistan. the marines are probably the most excercised troops in the pla. the are in almost every major excercise.

[lazzydigger]

The airborne IFV was only show to the public recently. I guess 15th Airborne only recevied those not long ago. Time is needed and the stop-shot-go is aimed at lower casualities during the exercise.

How ever, force rally and assemble is the key to airborne troop. A lot more training is needed for sure.

[sumdud]

I've seen a lot of pictures of it in PDF when I still went there, but never got to ask what it was. (The 87 page stickied topic. Too long, no point to ask.)

But you can't exactly drop an IFV on a mountain and expect it to survive. The flatter part of Taiwan is heavily populated, so you can't really give paratroops the needed surprise there...........

[Su-27 Pilot]

an airborne drop is very signifigant to taking taiwan. the pla needs ome more experience with the field. maybe they should do some drops in tukmenistan of afganistan. the marines are probably the most excercised troops in the pla. the are in almost every major excercise.
That is why this year and the next year all of the airborne forces will receive even more fund than the PLAN Marines. The PLAN Marines are considered Elite units and falls under the Rapid Reaction Units catergory.