China wants to expand Sino-US relations

[EternalVigil]

http://www.spacewar.com/news/China_Wants_To_Expand_Sino_US_Military_Relations.h tml


This could be good news. I have said it before and I will say it again I honestly do not think the US and China will ever go to war. They are to inter connected economically and it would crash the global economy. Its ok to be competitors on the economic field but a war between the two nations would be bad for all mankind. I think over the coming decades we will see A US/China alliance. After all anything is possible look at Japan for example, we had a horribly bloody war with them and now they are a very close ally. Lets all wish for the best and and hope suspicion and distrust on both sides will go away in the future. A Chinese/US alliance would be unbeatable. :)

[USAhater]

True. A US and China Alliance is Undefeatably because of the global economy and the military strength. But have this in your mind that Russia might have a problem in this. Russia's goal is to be better, stronger, and richer than America. They try every way to be that place since Soviet Union.

[akinkhoo]

but can the world economy hold the weight and sustain 2 economy giant? given that energy is set to grow in cost as demand rises from china's incredible growth!

new energy source must be developed.

[renmin]

when you think about it, the PRC and USA have many relations both economicaly and militairily. They would make much better allies than enemies. Sadly, two things stand in the way of full filling this attempt. comunism and taiwan. The US does not agree with the comunist way and if US shall side with the PRC, they will lose relations and trade with Taiwan. In my beleif, after the Sino-taiwan conflict is resovled, (I dont know how, hopefully no war) the USA and PRC can finally become allies. though the party issue is one prevention of this, it is not a really big problem.

[Baibar of Jalat]

Of cause they can get along if China bows and recognises the US superority. pardon the sarcasm but how i think they will get along if one recognises the other is superior nation. Both have got big egos.

America and europe constantly reminds world of their superiority hell they rewritten history to propagate among the masses of the world that they can only bring progress to the world. they seem to forget the west has only been dominant in the last 250 years. they forget about the other great civilisations that have progressed the world.

I know i sound agressive but BS that is fed to the majority is deplorable.

But my first point would us recognise china as a stronger economy when it overtakes the US in the civilian sectors, which is likely to happen sooner then due to the ease the chinese have access to most civilian technology.

If things turn ugly in US and china relations i bet the west will emotively evoke the Chinese past world view of the 'Middle Kingdom that everyone outside china were barberians' to generate hostility to china thats my bet

Cheers i hope u do not take to much offence

[renmin]

Well, I just found out that Bush is not very comfortable of China becoming America's allie, sorry, I lost the site where I found this but out of George W. Bush's own mouth he said:“Beijing has been investing its growing wealth in strategic nuclear weapons… new ballistic missiles… a blue-water navy and a long-range airforce. It is an espionage threat to our country….All of these facts must be squarely faced. China is a competitor, not a strategic partner. We must deal with China without ill-will—but without illusions.”

[MIGleader]

well renmin, i think your cource is a bit dated. it reflects the views of the bush administration back in 2001, when it considered china a strategic competitor. im sure the backbone of this view has not changed since, but the situation has lightened up quite a bit at least.

[PiSigma]

“Beijing has been investing its growing wealth in strategic nuclear weapons… new ballistic missiles… a blue-water navy and a long-range airforce. It is an espionage threat to our country….All of these facts must be squarely faced. China is a competitor, not a strategic partner. We must deal with China without ill-will—but without illusions.”

replace Beijing with washington and china with USA and it would sound like something the chinese government would say too.. governments are so damn hypocritical... EVERY single damn one of them.

[Baibar of Jalat]

Pisigma

I cannot argue with that all governments are hyprocritical when it comes to foreign policy especially if you looking for regional or world superpower statues.

Someone posted on another link 'Chinese proverb, u cannot eat the big feast forever' (paraphrased) other countries as i see it want to eat the so called feast, i dont think there is a many reasons why u can deny that. Even Hitler's rearmament programme was legitmate before i emphasis 1939.

Thanks p.s not pro nazi but intrested in thier system i have studied this topic in College

[petty officer1]

The problem is very simple

IN chinese i think there was a saying:" one mountain can't have two tiger"
Military, economy, and religionall are the tool of politicians

crusader, Big T square in china, japanese internment camp, 9/11/ Nazi kills jews, vietnam, iraq, sino-vietnam war, water gate.........

the list goes on and on, time have proven all government can't bring peace to it's people. I don't care you are so called "free world" or "communist rogue state" every god damed one is the same. Human can't rule human, since Adam and EVE. :(

Up to date every empire in the history have fallen. So don't put any hopes in government.

[Kiwi]

No, that's not strictly true. The British Empire never fell- not at all.

All Empires come to an end, eventually, this much is true. But not all fall.

[silverpike]

yea, it simply not possible for US and China to establish ture 'friendship'. the 'fighting' will carry on in the furture, over resource, ideology, and strategic spaces...

the aim of PLA's buildup is far beyound the 'liberation' of taiwan. the PLA's ultimately task is to protect china's position as a superpower and its global interests in the furture.

[crobato]

No, that's not strictly true. The British Empire never fell- not at all.

All Empires come to an end, eventually, this much is true. But not all fall.

Nah, the British Empire only shrank and lost control of its colonies. It's military power has diminished to a point that it seems only to serve as some backup force to the US.

[renmin]

the aim of PLA's buildup is far beyound the 'liberation' of taiwan. the PLA's ultimately task is to protect china's position as a superpower and its global interests in the furture.[/QUOTE]

PLA build up is for taiwan, true, but not for China's position as a super power but to protect China itself, the PRC is not going for the super power stuff, it is going for a advanced economy.

[walter]

PLA build up is for taiwan, true, but not for China's position as a super power but to protect China itself, the PRC is not going for the super power stuff, it is going for a advanced economy.

whether or not China is 'going for the super power stuff' or not is irrelevent--once its economy eclipses that of the US (just as an example in GDP terms) then it will have by default achieved super power status. This doesn't necessarily mean the PRC will try project this power like the US does, but the power will be there. It is also safe to assume that even before China eclipses the US economy that their military, measured by troop forces, hardware, or expenditure will be second only to the US military--sounds like a super power. Basically, everyone can see at this point that China is destined to become a super power, the only question is how and to what degree China will use this power.

[silverpike]

the aim of PLA's buildup is far beyound the 'liberation' of taiwan. the PLA's ultimately task is to protect china's position as a superpower and its global interests in the furture.
PLA build up is for taiwan, true, but not for China's position as a super power but to protect China itself, the PRC is not going for the super power stuff, it is going for a advanced economy.

what i am saying is PLA buildup is far beyond the concern of taiwan.
china may not rising as a military super power, but it will sure rising as a economy and political superpower... therefore it has to build a army to protect its economy interests.
china is not going to repeat Qing dynastry's hisotry,(incompetent military while producing 1/3 of the world GDP,ends up beaten by almost every western nation)

[Baibar of Jalat]

P.s My post is pretty much repeating what u said and also stating the obvious.

To be honest hard to say. Does anyone real now the mentality of the USA and Chinese leadership apart from Carictures and other narrow images the mass media gives on these two countries. If the two powers want to be serious about peaceful co existance (as publicly they claim to be pursuing)????

There should some talks on limiting military build up in the Pacific from both sides. Some thing on the line of the 1921 washington naval conferance, which at the time satisfied all the major powers in the pacific except soviet union.

I know it is easy said then done or even pure fantary but if they want peace then make an effort if they want conflict politically, economically and lastly militarily they are heading that general direction.

However prob wont happen suprised if it did. Recent statements from Rumfield declaring China being at a "Strategic Crossroads" and renewed recognition both are each others futures enemy or atleast rivals. Does not look good.