sumdud
12-19-2005, 11:13 PM
If you have been watching your news lately (I hope so.) and watched the events that took place as the WTO took session. (Wonder why so many people it appears to have no idea of the WTO meeting taking place in Hong Kong. Biased sample?) You would know about the riots that took place during the meetings and especially the last night of the meet (said to be mainly Koreans. Some Taiwanese were also in the riot).
If you didn't, here are some articles about the meet, courtesy to the SF Chronicle:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/qws/ff/qr?term=Hong+Kong+WTO&Submit=S
And here is info on the riot:
Protesters Try to Storm Hong Kong WTO Site
- By SAM CAGE, Associated Press Writer
Saturday, December 17, 2005
(12-17) 17:16 PST HONG KONG, China (AP) --
Protesters opposed to lowering trade barriers swung bamboo sticks at police Saturday and tried to storm a convention center where World Trade Organization delegates were negotiating a global accord on farming, manufacturing and services. At least 70 people were injured.
Security forces scattered the crowd with tear gas and pepper spray, and 900 people were detained after the worst street violence in Hong Kong in decades. The injured included 10 police officers.
The protesters included South Korean farmers, Southeast Asian groups and activists from the United States and Europe. They are concerned that WTO efforts to open up global markets will enrich wealthy nations at the expense of poor and developing countries.
By early Sunday, police ordered demonstrators staging a sit-in on a major road near the site to disperse and began dragging them away and loading them in buses.
"Police have now settled all these disturbances, and will continue this resolve action," said Hong Kong Police Commissioner Lee Ming Kwai.
Negotiations between the WTO's 149 member nations and territories continued inside the convention hall largely uninterrupted, chief WTO spokesman Keith Rockwell said.
Leading delegates met through the night into Sunday in hopes of reaching an agreement on a text that showed only incremental progress after nearly a week of largely fruitless talks on how to reduce trade barriers in services, manufacturing and farming.
"Today is the day," Fernando de Mateo y Venturini, Mexico's ambassador to the WTO, said early Sunday. "At least I hope there is going to be a result. That's my expectation."
The Hong Kong meeting was originally meant to produce a detailed outline for a global free trade agreement by Dec. 31, 2006. However, the European Union is refusing to open its agricultural markets any further until developing nations offer to lower their trade barriers to industrial goods and services.
Overnight talks focused on the contentious proposal to end export subsidies by 2010 — an issue that could make or break the entire gathering. Delegates discussed possibly pushing that date back to 2013, Venturini said.
"I think the time for brinkmanship is over," Rockwell said Saturday. "I think people realize now that we are in the end game and people will hopefully come forward with their bottom line positions so that we can wrap this up."
Outside the convention center on Saturday, police fired tear gas to quell hundreds of rioters, some wearing helmets and covering their faces with kerchiefs to ease the effects of the tear gas. Demonstrators bashed police with bamboo poles and used a metal barrier to ram a line of police armed with riot shields.
At one point, activists broke through police lines and came close to storming the WTO's harbor-side meeting venue. The police fought back with clubs, pepper spray and water cannons that sprayed a chemical mixture that burned the skin and eyes.
"The use of tear gas was too violent," said Elizabeth Tang of the Hong Kong People's Alliance on WTO. "Police knew lots of citizen onlookers and press were there and they didn't give any warnings beforehand."
Tang, whose group has organized marches here, said there had been some discussion about calling off Sunday's march, which was meant to be the largest so far.
"Some members may not agree to marching," Tang said.
Rockwell said the violence did not affect the delegates' work.
There was plenty left to be done, as the document was riddled with gaps and loopholes. Many key parts of the draft were in brackets, meaning they had yet to be accepted by all members in the consensus-based WTO.
Developing nations have been pushing for the elimination of European subsidies for exports, saying they undercut their farmers. But the EU has refused to specify a date for ending those subsidies.
"I'm prepared to engage with them on this subject, but not in isolation," EU trade chief Peter Mandelson said.
In a victory for West African cotton growers, the draft calls for rich nations to end export subsidies for cotton in 2006. This represents a U.S. concession to African claims that government support for farmers in rich countries is driving many poor farmers out of work.
"The cotton industry would be very, very concerned about that proposal, and I'm confident I've just given you the understatement of the afternoon," U.S. Secretary of Agriculture Mike Johanns said.
After trade deal talks collapsed at previous summits in Cancun, Mexico, and Seattle, the WTO's credibility would be dealt a serious blow if negotiators cannot reach an agreement here.
"There will be a heavy responsibility on anyone who lets this chance slip away," Rockwell quoted WTO chief Pascal Lamy as telling delegates.
URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2005/12/17/financial/f125950S46.DTL
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/12/17/financial/f125950S46.DTL&hw=Hong+Kong+WTO&sn=006&sc=647
I saw on the news that the protestors/rioters took advantage of the fences and broke off the bars to use them as weapon. Good thing I was not one of those policemen. (I believe of a total of 139 casualities, including 67 from the police. Just thinking about it makes me want to ******* :mad: :mad: . But let's not go there.)
Also some Taiwanese women claimed to have been abused by the police. (For breaking off the bars and using them as weapons.:coffee: What'd you expect?:roll: )
And this brings us into the topic: what do you think of China's anti-rioting skills and forces NOW. How are they? Are they effective?
AND BE WARNED, BUT DON'T ANY OF YOU DARE TO BRING US BACK TO 6-4-1989. WE ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT CHINA NOW AND ANYONE TRYING TO BECOME PROVACATIVE WILL BE WARNED AND THEN BANNED.
To the KGB Corp (Admin and Mod), spray and cut this thread at wish.
If you didn't, here are some articles about the meet, courtesy to the SF Chronicle:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/qws/ff/qr?term=Hong+Kong+WTO&Submit=S
And here is info on the riot:
Protesters Try to Storm Hong Kong WTO Site
- By SAM CAGE, Associated Press Writer
Saturday, December 17, 2005
(12-17) 17:16 PST HONG KONG, China (AP) --
Protesters opposed to lowering trade barriers swung bamboo sticks at police Saturday and tried to storm a convention center where World Trade Organization delegates were negotiating a global accord on farming, manufacturing and services. At least 70 people were injured.
Security forces scattered the crowd with tear gas and pepper spray, and 900 people were detained after the worst street violence in Hong Kong in decades. The injured included 10 police officers.
The protesters included South Korean farmers, Southeast Asian groups and activists from the United States and Europe. They are concerned that WTO efforts to open up global markets will enrich wealthy nations at the expense of poor and developing countries.
By early Sunday, police ordered demonstrators staging a sit-in on a major road near the site to disperse and began dragging them away and loading them in buses.
"Police have now settled all these disturbances, and will continue this resolve action," said Hong Kong Police Commissioner Lee Ming Kwai.
Negotiations between the WTO's 149 member nations and territories continued inside the convention hall largely uninterrupted, chief WTO spokesman Keith Rockwell said.
Leading delegates met through the night into Sunday in hopes of reaching an agreement on a text that showed only incremental progress after nearly a week of largely fruitless talks on how to reduce trade barriers in services, manufacturing and farming.
"Today is the day," Fernando de Mateo y Venturini, Mexico's ambassador to the WTO, said early Sunday. "At least I hope there is going to be a result. That's my expectation."
The Hong Kong meeting was originally meant to produce a detailed outline for a global free trade agreement by Dec. 31, 2006. However, the European Union is refusing to open its agricultural markets any further until developing nations offer to lower their trade barriers to industrial goods and services.
Overnight talks focused on the contentious proposal to end export subsidies by 2010 — an issue that could make or break the entire gathering. Delegates discussed possibly pushing that date back to 2013, Venturini said.
"I think the time for brinkmanship is over," Rockwell said Saturday. "I think people realize now that we are in the end game and people will hopefully come forward with their bottom line positions so that we can wrap this up."
Outside the convention center on Saturday, police fired tear gas to quell hundreds of rioters, some wearing helmets and covering their faces with kerchiefs to ease the effects of the tear gas. Demonstrators bashed police with bamboo poles and used a metal barrier to ram a line of police armed with riot shields.
At one point, activists broke through police lines and came close to storming the WTO's harbor-side meeting venue. The police fought back with clubs, pepper spray and water cannons that sprayed a chemical mixture that burned the skin and eyes.
"The use of tear gas was too violent," said Elizabeth Tang of the Hong Kong People's Alliance on WTO. "Police knew lots of citizen onlookers and press were there and they didn't give any warnings beforehand."
Tang, whose group has organized marches here, said there had been some discussion about calling off Sunday's march, which was meant to be the largest so far.
"Some members may not agree to marching," Tang said.
Rockwell said the violence did not affect the delegates' work.
There was plenty left to be done, as the document was riddled with gaps and loopholes. Many key parts of the draft were in brackets, meaning they had yet to be accepted by all members in the consensus-based WTO.
Developing nations have been pushing for the elimination of European subsidies for exports, saying they undercut their farmers. But the EU has refused to specify a date for ending those subsidies.
"I'm prepared to engage with them on this subject, but not in isolation," EU trade chief Peter Mandelson said.
In a victory for West African cotton growers, the draft calls for rich nations to end export subsidies for cotton in 2006. This represents a U.S. concession to African claims that government support for farmers in rich countries is driving many poor farmers out of work.
"The cotton industry would be very, very concerned about that proposal, and I'm confident I've just given you the understatement of the afternoon," U.S. Secretary of Agriculture Mike Johanns said.
After trade deal talks collapsed at previous summits in Cancun, Mexico, and Seattle, the WTO's credibility would be dealt a serious blow if negotiators cannot reach an agreement here.
"There will be a heavy responsibility on anyone who lets this chance slip away," Rockwell quoted WTO chief Pascal Lamy as telling delegates.
URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2005/12/17/financial/f125950S46.DTL
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/12/17/financial/f125950S46.DTL&hw=Hong+Kong+WTO&sn=006&sc=647
I saw on the news that the protestors/rioters took advantage of the fences and broke off the bars to use them as weapon. Good thing I was not one of those policemen. (I believe of a total of 139 casualities, including 67 from the police. Just thinking about it makes me want to ******* :mad: :mad: . But let's not go there.)
Also some Taiwanese women claimed to have been abused by the police. (For breaking off the bars and using them as weapons.:coffee: What'd you expect?:roll: )
And this brings us into the topic: what do you think of China's anti-rioting skills and forces NOW. How are they? Are they effective?
AND BE WARNED, BUT DON'T ANY OF YOU DARE TO BRING US BACK TO 6-4-1989. WE ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT CHINA NOW AND ANYONE TRYING TO BECOME PROVACATIVE WILL BE WARNED AND THEN BANNED.
To the KGB Corp (Admin and Mod), spray and cut this thread at wish.