WZ-10 thread

[maozedong]

I am not sure china will put the engine to which helicopters.
I did't say they will put the engine into the BLACKHAWK,it just make a exsample to clear that china has many kind of copters.
china can make replacemant engine for the BLACKHAWK,and Z9 copters are totally made in china,although Z9 copter techlologe is come from France.
I also ageed that engineer techlologe is lack for china,but some times china may have some thing in advance area.
I don't blow shit how good of china in here,I just want to discuss about PT6B-67C engine maby use at wz10 or not.
aneyway,Wz10 suppose is a high quality battle copter,it needs special design engine,not use aney of civilian engine.
canadian force have no copter to use now,why they don't make new helicopters? if they have such good engine like PT6B-67C.
don't forget canada is merber of G8.
you said china may telling liy,why you don't think many company want to sale their product pattern they also blowshit at airshow.
mr.PKF also blowshit so much.

[tphuang]

Originally Posted by maozedong

I am not sure china will put the engine to which helicopters.
I did't say they will put the engine into the BLACKHAWK,it just make a exsample to clear that china has many kind of copters.
china can make replacemant engine for the BLACKHAWK,and Z9 copters are totally made in china,although Z9 copter techlologe is come from France.

Z-9G uses French engine. You do realize that, right?

I also ageed that engineer techlologe is lack for china,but some times china may have some thing in advance area.

in what area? engine is the area that China is the most behind Western countries in.

I don't blow shit how good of china in here,I just want to discuss about PT6B-67C engine maby use at wz10 or not.

and it's used on WZ-10.

aneyway,Wz10 suppose is a high quality battle copter,it needs special design engine,not use aney of civilian engine.

The civilian version of Z-9 and military version both use Arriel 2C as the engine. The AS-565 (basically Z-9C) is using Arriel 2C. I have no idea what you are talking about. engines can be used for both civilian and military engine.

canadian force have no copter to use now,why they don't make new helicopters? if they have such good engine like PT6B-67C.

do you know who P&W are? P&W = Pratt & Whitney, they are an American company. China can't get engine from America for obvious reasons, so they order through the Canadian subsidary.

don't forget canada is merber of G8.
you said china may telling liy,why you don't think many company want to sale their product pattern they also blowshit at airshow.
mr.PKF also blowshit so much.

Do you know what JDW is? This is a professional organization that sends reporters to military exhibitions. And they asked Chinese representatives about existence of certain programs and got lied to. Why? China officially unveiled those same programs later.

[maozedong]

you forget china is free trade maket now,so many kind of copter project in china,not PLA control every thing.
can you tell me about Z12,Z13,Z14 projects?are you sure they don't want those engines?
Wz10 project is large project for PLA, that may controled by the garverment and PLA.to design the engin for Wz10,P&W supose to attented the project from begining to the end.is this passble?
do you think the project like the housewife to shopping for dinner?
my opinion is the engine sale to china maby not for Wz10.every body just speculating,nobady can say yes,include Mr.PKF.P&W never say those engine is for Wz10 either.
Z9 and Z11 are both civilian and mililtary copter, but Wz10 is deffint,that exatly is my point,you for get.
you always mix the function of deffint kind copters and plane.for a sample, you put Y8 and Wz10 together,how deffint are they? I also don't know what are you talk about.
finally,maybe your are right, I know you are quite more knowledge about defence,but we just discuss so simple-the engine is use at Wz10 or not,I don't say yes or not,but you say yes,we talk too far.
we don't have to discuss the speculation too much.byby.

[tphuang]

Originally Posted by maozedong

you forget china is free trade maket now,so many kind of copter project in china,not PLA control every thing.
can you tell me about Z12,Z13,Z14 projects?are you sure they don't want those engines?

Z-12 is aka CMH (Chinese Medium Helicopter). To me, CMH is just a cover for Z-10, so that Agusta and Eurocopter can join in to help with Z-10. It seems like Z-15 has overtaken CMH for the commericial medium size helicopter now.

As for Z-13 and Z-14, not a lot are known about them. We can only assume that they did exist or are secret projects. I don't know, it seems like it's getting Mi-26 which will fill the heavy lift category. I can only imagine they must have some plan for the 10 tonne and 15 tonne class.

Wz10 project is large project for PLA, that may controled by the garverment and PLA.to design the engin for Wz10,P&W supose to attented the project from begining to the end.is this passble?
do you think the project like the housewife to shopping for dinner?
my opinion is the engine sale to china maby not for Wz10.every body just speculating,nobady can say yes,include Mr.PKF.P&W never say those engine is for Wz10 either.
Z9 and Z11 are both civilian and mililtary copter, but Wz10 is deffint,that exatly is my point,you for get.
you always mix the function of deffint kind copters and plane.for a sample, you put Y8 and Wz10 together,how deffint are they? I also don't know what are you talk about.
finally,maybe your are right, I know you are quite more knowledge about defence,but we just discuss so simple-the engine is use at Wz10 or not,I don't say yes or not,but you say yes,we talk too far.
we don't have to discuss the speculation too much.byby.

If P&W admits they helped a high priority Chinese military project, the congress will give them hell.

Y-8F600 and WZ-10 both use P&W Canada engines, that's their connection.

[tphuang]

found this from afm posted by dongdong
a new picture of WZ-10, not much new really

[Kampfwagen]

You know, I have to be honest with you. I am starting to question if the WZ-10 even exists. Maybe it's some slip into paranoic delusion, but with all these PS'ed images and unclear information, it makes me highly suspect of any sort of information provided about the craft.

First it is designed like a Rooivalk, then suppousedly more like a Havoc, though according to this picture is a Rooivalk-style design once again.

[crobato]

I have never seen the Havoc looking one. I think that's just some internet speculation. The Rooivalk looking one is the one you need to pay serious attention to.

[Pointblank]

Originally Posted by Kampfwagen

You know, I have to be honest with you. I am starting to question if the WZ-10 even exists. Maybe it's some slip into paranoic delusion, but with all these PS'ed images and unclear information, it makes me highly suspect of any sort of information provided about the craft.

First it is designed like a Rooivalk, then suppousedly more like a Havoc, though according to this picture is a Rooivalk-style design once again.

That can be pretty much be said about any of China's military projects. Tons of secrecy, lack of information for outsiders, only sources are pictures, guesses, occasional leaks, and of course, if you have the guanxi, the connections to get the information. The WZ-10 attack helo project is pretty real from what I understand it is from my sources. Some of the paper trail exists for it outside of China (such as the purchase of the PT6 engines from PWC). Where there is smoke, there is fire, is what I say.

[ebola2007]

Just another WZ10 picture shot from the bottom.

I'm a newbie, greeting!

http://www.wforum.com/specials/articles/02/30362.html

[AssassinsMace]

Hj-10!

[tphuang]

I found this picture on the Chinese forums, any comments on it?
I'd prefer if someone who knows more about helicopters than I do comment on it.

[Chengdu J-10]

Originally Posted by Pointblank

That can be pretty much be said about any of China's military projects. Tons of secrecy, lack of information for outsiders, only sources are pictures, guesses, occasional leaks, and of course, if you have the guanxi, the connections to get the information. The WZ-10 attack helo project is pretty real from what I understand it is from my sources. Some of the paper trail exists for it outside of China (such as the purchase of the PT6 engines from PWC). Where there is smoke, there is fire, is what I say.

I agree the Chinese are smart in keeping the lid shut on somethings not like the US who brags about most of their projects. An example is the submarine project where the Yuan class submarine existance wasn't even known to spies from other countries until it rolled up to port. The WZ10 is very much real and running in a fast pace. I wouldn't be suprised if the WZ10 were in mass production already in some secret facilaty

[challenge]

Originally Posted by tphuang

I found this picture on the Chinese forums, any comments on it?
I'd prefer if someone who knows more about helicopters than I do comment on it.
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8761/z10dec11oj9.jpg

could it be there are two different kind of attack helos, same two different of AWACS?
this helos first appear 4 years ago,but with retrabel carriage.
First pciture first appear in late 2003,posted on top81.com.with retractable carriage,similiar to Z-9,in fact the design is based on Z-9,and a small nose look like Russian Mil-28 presume to house MMW.
the picture later appear in american heritage website,to justify "chinese threat"

[panzerkom]

Originally Posted by tphuang

I found this picture on the Chinese forums, any comments on it?
I'd prefer if someone who knows more about helicopters than I do comment on it.

Fairly sure that is a wooden mock-up, tp

[Sczepan]

more px of this "new design" ???
(to me looks like a enthusiastic theme park design)