WZ-10 thread

[HKSDU]

Originally Posted by pugachev_diver

I really really do hope that the WZ-10 is legit, but since today's photoshop tech is becoming more sophisticated, often some pics can even look 100% real.
Speaking on the Canadian issue, it is impossible that Canada will sell stuff China without the approval of US, which currently the deal had already ended. Also it is very hard for civilian engines to be used on military planes, especially on combat helicopters and fighter jets that require sudden bursts to conduct agile maneuvers.
And on the IRST and those related hardwares, I can't say much about them because I'm no expert in this field, but I do know the fact that the size of the lenses reflect its ability. The ones mounted on WZ-9 is probably the smallest compared to all of today's modern attack helicopters (maybe the Indian ones are even smaller, just guessing...).

Because of the reasons as listed above, even with my high anticipation for this craft, I cannot expect much from its performance and combat ability even if it is legit and able to make it to service within the next few years.

I dont have high expectations for the initial batch but I expect it to be decent or comparable to most attack heli there in service. You can still deliver technology under civilian sector, it can be dual purpose use for the military. Who knows what happens to it when its delivered, on paper and legally its all fine, so not breaking any laws. Sort of turning their heads around once they sell it. In the end money is money.

[Pointblank]

Originally Posted by HKSDU

I thought Canadian bought the rights of Pratt & Whitney Canada for exporting technology to foreign nations couple years ago, after the lawsuit they had with the HQ in America. Probs thinking of another firm in Canada that relates to heli technology, but lets see if I can find that article about Canda buying rights to export heli technology. Even with embargo it hasn't stopped Europe nations exporting dual use military-civilian technology to China anyway, it legal to sell them to civilian sector of China, then who knows what happens when it reaches China docks.

Nope, the laws are that if what was sold to China contained components or technology controlled by the U.S. International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR), it is subject to restrictions. And since the PWC PT-6 engine does have components that are under the control of ITAR, it legally cannot be sold unless PWC and the US government believe that the engines were intended for use on civilian helicopters.

Otherwise, because this happened already, there will be very negative implications for future U.S. ITAR-controlled exports to PWC, as State and Defense will remember that the Canadian company has exported to a military end-user in China, and future authorizations are likely to be reviewed more closely, and technology release decisions are likely to be more conservative. Generally, any company that wishes to export potentially sensitive pieces of technology doesn't want to be put in this position, as it will negatively affect their business, plus the major fines that result in ITAR violations.

[montyp165]

Originally Posted by Pointblank

Nope, the laws are that if what was sold to China contained components or technology controlled by the U.S. International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR), it is subject to restrictions. And since the PWC PT-6 engine does have components that are under the control of ITAR, it legally cannot be sold unless PWC and the US government believe that the engines were intended for use on civilian helicopters.

Otherwise, because this happened already, there will be very negative implications for future U.S. ITAR-controlled exports to PWC, as State and Defense will remember that the Canadian company has exported to a military end-user in China, and future authorizations are likely to be reviewed more closely, and technology release decisions are likely to be more conservative. Generally, any company that wishes to export potentially sensitive pieces of technology doesn't want to be put in this position, as it will negatively affect their business, plus the major fines that result in ITAR violations.

Ultimately it takes a combination of outside sourcing from EU and Russia and Chinese domestic sourcing to end-run ITAR and make it non-viable in the long term.

[Engineer]

I guess this means WZ-10 is declassified.
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[Lion]

Originally Posted by Engineer

I guess this means WZ-10 is declassified.
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Sounds great!

[Roger604]

Will helicopters like Z-10 work in the Himalayas (around disputed region) or is the air too thin?

[Pointblank]

Originally Posted by Roger604

Will helicopters like Z-10 work in the Himalayas (around disputed region) or is the air too thin?

Any helicopter will struggle in extreme hot and high conditions. The thin air makes it difficult for the rotors to bite into, and the heat and thin air robs the engine of power. Probably will be payload restricted in order to operate; how much is a different question.

[tphuang]

I'm going to call this the Z-9G longbow. I think this radar was supposed to go on Z-10 (and maybe it has), but now it's been tested or equipped on Z-9G. Hard to say if this is for testing or deployment.

[challenge]

longbow radar not only provide navigation during foul weather,but also target detected from longbow can be download to brimstone active MMW guided anti tank missile.

[szbd]

Actually I'm quite surprised that the PLA seems determined to get WZ10 in service, given that there are quite some armored fighting vehicles, SSPs, tanks waiting, and they are much cheaper.

[Costas 240GD]

I don't think it's a radar. The shape looks more like a Mast-Mounted Sight (MMS)

This WZ-9 helicopter has been installed with a electronic/optical sensor pod on the rotor hub. It is unclear that this pod is for Fire Control or battlefield Reconnaissance.

“Longbow” Version WZ-9 Armed Helicopter|China-Defense-Mashup

[Mashan]

Originally Posted by szbd

Actually I'm quite surprised that the PLA seems determined to get WZ10 in service, given that there are quite some armored fighting vehicles, SSPs, tanks waiting, and they are much cheaper.

The PLA right now do not have a dedicated attack heli so they spend the time and money to designed and build the WZ10. Once they solve the engine issue they will be all set to go.

[szbd]

Originally Posted by Mashan

The PLA right now do not have a dedicated attack heli so they spend the time and money to designed and build the WZ10. Once they solve the engine issue they will be all set to go.

I mean the equipments of the most part of PLA are quite obsolete, but there are quite some new and good models already done. More money could spend on these weapons.

[Ambivalent]

Originally Posted by Costas 240GD

I don't think it's a radar. The shape looks more like a Mast-Mounted Sight (MMS)
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/591...215longbow.jpg


“Longbow” Version WZ-9 Armed Helicopter|China-Defense-Mashup

I'm guessing this is a test bed.

[challenge]

" anyone has full article about Janes 's "NORINCO offer Red Arrow-10 anti tank missile into the market"?