WZ-10 thread

[tphuang]

Originally Posted by Ryz05

The fourth one that they are cooperating with an international partner should be the Z-15. http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/helicopter/z15.asp

I'm not sure what the third one is, though I'm guessing it's probably transport like the M-17 or the S-70 Blackhawk.

The link for Z-8a appears to be broken http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/helicopter/z8a.asp , but the naval Z-8 link is working http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/helicopter/z8.asp .

well the issue is that Z-15 is a cooperation bw Eurocopter and HAMC, not Changhe. I'm not sure who is developing the civilian 10 tonne transport though.

[szbd]

Changhe has joint production with Sikorsky, joint investment factory with Agusta. Currently, the main product of Changhe is Z8, Z11 and a kind of mini van (automobile, not helicopter. actually the automobile branch makes money and helicopter branch never made profit before. Shenyang AC also makes mini van). Hope they can increase the helicopter production quickly. 15 Z8 a year is too small a number. I think China needs at least 100 a year, Z8+Z10+Z11 in total.

[bd popeye]

I'm sure that the PLA has or is still developing the WZ-10 for full production. However when pictures like this emerge it does not help the PLA reputation at all. I think this is just a mock up under construction. No more no less...These pics are over a year old.

[f.hind]

I think when those pics first emerged someone said they were props for a TV show?

[flyzies]

Those pics dont look real at all

[Mr_C]

Originally Posted by bd popeye

I'm sure that the PLA has or is still developing the WZ-10 for full production. However when pictures like this emerge it does not help the PLA reputation at all. I think this is just a mock up under construction. No more no less...These pics are over a year old.

Where did you get those pictures? This might be abit off topic, but it feels that the PLA is trying to be alittle bit less discrete with their military projects. For example the announcment of the planned production of 081 LPH, and now these Z-10 mock-up pictures. Perhaps this a move to decrease the worries of China's neighbours, because a recent research lead by Madaline Albright shows that the number of overseas people who has a favourable view of China has declined, the suggested cause is due to her super secretive military spending.
These mock-up pictures, although not a real Z-10. It does provide the closest and clearest images of what a Z-10 looks like.

[Ryz05]

Originally Posted by Mr_C

Where did you get those pictures? This might be abit off topic, but it feels that the PLA is trying to be alittle bit less discrete with their military projects. For example the announcment of the planned production of 081 LPH, and now these Z-10 mock-up pictures. Perhaps this a move to decrease the worries of China's neighbours, because a recent research lead by Madaline Albright shows that the number of overseas people who has a favourable view of China has declined, the suggested cause is due to her super secretive military spending.
These mock-up pictures, although not a real Z-10. It does provide the closest and clearest images of what a Z-10 looks like.

The suggested cause for China's infavorable overseas views is due to the secretive military spending? That's the most ridiculous suggestion I've ever heard. I doubt overseas civilians worry about China's secretive military spendings. If your report is true, then Madaline Albright was most likely working for the English government and trying to make China talk more. If there is a decline in favorable views, then it is mainly due to China's lack of soft power. China's movie industry needs to become far more popular in overseas markets in line with her going economic power. China's animation industry, gaming industry, and other areas also need improvement.

As for the pictures, they might be real, possibly used as dummies to misguide foreign intelligence satellites or as early prototypes. It's not as if other countries don't know about the WZ-10 development already.

[bd popeye]

Where did you get those pictures? This might be abit off topic, but it feels that the PLA is trying to be alittle bit less discrete with their military projects

I got them on a military photos web site. It is a very large web site..They have a thread deticated to the PLA...I will PM you the link

[mobydog]

Originally Posted by Ryz05

The suggested cause for China's infavorable overseas views is due to the secretive military spending? That's the most ridiculous suggestion I've ever heard. I doubt overseas civilians worry about China's secretive military spendings. If your report is true, then Madaline Albright was most likely working for the English government and trying to make China talk more. If there is a decline in favorable views, then it is mainly due to China's lack of soft power. China's movie industry needs to become far more popular in overseas markets in line with her going economic power. China's animation industry, gaming industry, and other areas also need improvement.

As for the pictures, they might be real, possibly used as dummies to misguide foreign intelligence satellites or as early prototypes. It's not as if other countries don't know about the WZ-10 development already.

Actually, I think there is an increase of favourable view from foreign Chinese and Muslims here in ASEAN.. And from the net, I have a notion that there are more positive views from westerners from before, perhap due to more interaction.. (except in pro americans forum). I have argued with many westerners and phillipinos bitterly defending China from issues like Sudan, Tibet to XinJiang (especially Xinjiang - since it's history is seriously twisted by the EAST Turkistan (does not even exist)- 3000 yrs homeland, Turkis homeland is not in Xinjiang and they only ruled for all of 80 yrs before routed by the Tangs) .

And recently, I am surprised that these very members are actually standing up for China, where and when it's needed.

In fact, more Chinese with English skills are posting on forums than before. Perhaps, their english have improved and are defending their country. Sadly, many are banned for defending, while much much more insulting and bias western members are let off the hook.. mainly Americans (not a smear, Seriously). Just visit MP.net... 3 to 4 members were banned for small infractions.

Sorry, for ranting.

[zyun8288]

Originally Posted by bd popeye

I'm sure that the PLA has or is still developing the WZ-10 for full production. However when pictures like this emerge it does not help the PLA reputation at all. I think this is just a mock up under construction. No more no less...These pics are over a year old.

Hang on a second. I thought those pictures had been posted on this forum quite a while ago.

They are all real pics,BUT except the first one, all the others were about a WZ10 model made a retired military magazine photographer in a remote village of BeiJing. It's a pure private business. He supplies models to the booming theme parks in China. Many years ago, there were a picture displaying a farmer painting a Flanker on the same site.

The biz owner was a famous photographer. But I am pretty sure he earns far more from this modelling business.

[Mr_C]

Originally Posted by Ryz05

The suggested cause for China's infavorable overseas views is due to the secretive military spending? That's the most ridiculous suggestion I've ever heard. I doubt overseas civilians worry about China's secretive military spendings. If your report is true, then Madaline Albright was most likely working for the English government and trying to make China talk more. If there is a decline in favorable views, then it is mainly due to China's lack of soft power. China's movie industry needs to become far more popular in overseas markets in line with her going economic power. China's animation industry, gaming industry, and other areas also need improvement.

As for the pictures, they might be real, possibly used as dummies to misguide foreign intelligence satellites or as early prototypes. It's not as if other countries don't know about the WZ-10 development already.

Well anyway here is a link to a summary of the report conducted by Madaline Albright.

http://taiwansecurity.org/News/2007/BB-280607.htm

And soft power comes in more forms than just movies, video games etc. In fact Commie China has alot more soft power in many places; mainly economic and cultural, its just that we in the west don't get to see it as much, or even understand it.
Anyway lets not get off topic, I would agree that the Z-10 is still in the prototype and evaluation stage of development which means it will still be some time until we can see this little bird in the field. This pace of development maybe a reflection of China's lack of experience in developing their own helicopters. Or it can be simiply be due to their patience. I feel it is a combination of both.

[bd popeye]

[QUOTEThis might be abit off topic, but it feels that the PLA is trying to be alittle bit less discrete with their military projects. For example the announcment of the planned production of 081 LPH, and now these Z-10 mock-up pictures][/QUOTE]

Those pictures are over a year old. As to the 081 just like the Varyag we will have to wait a long time before we really see anything.

As for the models or mock-ups. Many militaries use them for displays. Don't want the public to to see all the real toys.

Now the problem with PLA mock ups is that some "fan-boys" get all excited when they see them and proclaim them to be real. Spreading rumors throughout the internet. All this equals to is more confusion about what sort of equipment the PLA is truely developing. It just makes "observers"(neo-con) think that China is shrouding it's military development more than it really is.

[szbd]

WZ10 on newspaper!

A WZ10 landed in a corps field near Jingdezhen (where the producer of WZ10 locates) due to technical problems. Then appeared on local newspaper. It is said the problems can be fixed in the field and the chopper will fly back by itself.

[szbd]

pdf version of the newspaper:

http://pdf.jxnews.com.cn/jna820070713.pdf

[kickars]

From this newspaper photo WZ-10 seems to have retractable landing gear.