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icekid · 01-10-2009

http://www.defenceaviation.com/2009/...h-fighter.html

one more stealth project from China....

J-XX <<comparable to US F-22 and
JF-17X << Comparable to F-35

Wonder if there will be exports other than to Pakistan...

bd popeye · 01-10-2009

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Semi-Lobster · 01-10-2009

I've read this article and from what it seems, it sounds like complete fanboy garbage. First of all, what is the 'source' for this source. Usually they mention CCTV or the People's Daily for this level of high level information, especially something that happened months ago. Secondly, Chengdu letting Russia having part of the pie? What does Chengdu have to gain from letting Russia into the JF-17 deal? And it just goes on! We expect France to export the M88-3? I've never read about any defence deal ever between China and France (Unless you consider Dassault's sale of the Mirage 2000 to the Republic of China, which actually only makes such a transfer more unlikely). Then on top of that, THALES, BAE Systems and Denel Aerospace are being contact to develop a HMS for this 'aircraft'? Chengdu has already developed a HMS, why waste time and money on turning the JF-17 into a flying mini-United Nations? The most utterly damaging part of the article that just plain proves this article can't be true is the claim of using the Vixen 500E AESA radar which would be INPOSSIBLE. Only last month the co-developed KAI/Lockheed-Martin F/A-50 project gave up on aquiring the Vixen 500E after the transfer was barred from sharing the T-50's source codes with non-US companies after nearly a DECADE of trying to aquire it. This is a jointly developed Korean/American aircraft here. From a country who relies heavily on the US for mutual defence, stations and cooperates with thousands of US troops station in it and maintains excellent relations with it. Yet you're telling me that in a few short months that the US is willing to sell their most advance radar systems to a country that it won't even sell new F-16s to and on an aircraft jointly developed by Russia and China? Then it talks about carrying these 'PL-13' SRAAM and 'PL-14' LRAAM with the help of Denel!? That doesn't even make any sense? I've never heard of these missile programs, you can't just develop a missile at the drop of a hat. China is already developing a long range missile itself anyway! The PL-21, why would it develop a second one!? This entire thing reads like a bad fanfiction.

challenge · 01-11-2009

you have confuse LOA (low observation aircraft)with stealth.
I do not believ China willing to surrender this high technology to pakistan

Lundblad.Jeff · 01-12-2009

The article itself may be suspect, but I don't think that it is impossible that such a program might not exist in the future.

PrOeLiTeZ · 01-12-2009

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Originally Posted by Semi-Lobster

I've read this article and from what it seems, it sounds like complete fanboy garbage. First of all, what is the 'source' for this source. Usually they mention CCTV or the People's Daily for this level of high level information, especially something that happened months ago. Secondly, Chengdu letting Russia having part of the pie? What does Chengdu have to gain from letting Russia into the JF-17 deal? And it just goes on! We expect France to export the M88-3? I've never read about any defence deal ever between China and France (Unless you consider Dassault's sale of the Mirage 2000 to the Republic of China, which actually only makes such a transfer more unlikely). Then on top of that, THALES, BAE Systems and Denel Aerospace are being contact to develop a HMS for this 'aircraft'? Chengdu has already developed a HMS, why waste time and money on turning the JF-17 into a flying mini-United Nations? The most utterly damaging part of the article that just plain proves this article can't be true is the claim of using the Vixen 500E AESA radar which would be INPOSSIBLE. Only last month the co-developed KAI/Lockheed-Martin F/A-50 project gave up on aquiring the Vixen 500E after the transfer was barred from sharing the T-50's source codes with non-US companies after nearly a DECADE of trying to aquire it. This is a jointly developed Korean/American aircraft here. From a country who relies heavily on the US for mutual defence, stations and cooperates with thousands of US troops station in it and maintains excellent relations with it. Yet you're telling me that in a few short months that the US is willing to sell their most advance radar systems to a country that it won't even sell new F-16s to and on an aircraft jointly developed by Russia and China? Then it talks about carrying these 'PL-13' SRAAM and 'PL-14' LRAAM with the help of Denel!? That doesn't even make any sense? I've never heard of these missile programs, you can't just develop a missile at the drop of a hat. China is already developing a long range missile itself anyway! The PL-21, why would it develop a second one!? This entire thing reads like a bad fanfiction.

true sounds like someones fanboy opinion. semi have you considered using paragraphs lol its just that its hard to read.

Semi-Lobster · 01-12-2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrOeLiTeZ

true sounds like someones fanboy opinion. semi have you considered using paragraphs lol its just that its hard to read.

Yahh.... I just kind of start typing. Then go do something else, comeback, type some more, leave again etc. etc. and in the end things tend to get... jumbled

As for the article itself, so far only one source is talking about this (Tempur) while I haven't read a single English, Chinese, Russian etc. source even confirming this meeting took place

bd popeye · 01-12-2009

Semi-Lobster, PrOeLiTeZ, Lundblad.Jeff & challenge. Thank you for responding to this thread.

I agree that this article is nothing more than fanboy wet dreams. These type articles cause confusion and un-based spectualtion on military boards.

icekid, the next time I ask you to respond to a thread that you started you need to follow my instructions.

This thread is closed.

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