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This is a discussion on Shenyang J-31 Fighter within the Air Force forums, part of the China Defense & Military category; A lot of people writing about this but it seems they're all basically repeating what Bill Sweetman wrote. David Axe ...

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    A lot of people writing about this but it seems they're all basically repeating what Bill Sweetman wrote. David Axe brings up the carrier possiblity but of course with his condescending spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiG-29 View Post
    With respect F-35 the lack of VSTOL is a great disadvantage because airstrip are needed for stealth fighters and these are not stealthy, you want to keep a stealth fighter useless well just eliminate the airstrips and voila you repeat 1967
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    By that logic, every fighter that isn't a VSTOL is a wasted buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by latenlazy View Post
    If SAC intends to market a J-31 for both land and carrier based operations, I don't think they would need to worry about optimizing carrier capable features on their first prototype. The PLAN is a much less ready buyer than the PLAAF and may not need fighters for carrier operations nearly as quickly, which would give SAC plenty of time to optimize the features of the plane in later prototypes.
    Well, I've read it many a time from big shrimp talks that it is the PLAN that has been more worried about their own 5th Gen fighter than the PLAAF. For it's a done deal that the PLAAF has its J-20 but the PLAN has nothing concrete yet. One latest piece I read is that a new J-20 has a tail hook(!), in addition to that the J-2003 went through lots of changes, especially in the use of more composite...
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    her small size,not to mention internal space been use to store weapon,mean her achilles heel going to be her range, same problem early model of MIG-29 has ecnounter-lack of range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by latenlazy View Post
    Yeah, but I don't know if the PLAAF would bite on that idea, and if they did whether they'd buy in enough numbers to make the project worthwhile. I think while SAC is trying to entice the PLA, the PLANAF is just the more natural potential customer, assuming that they intend on producing a carrier capable version.

    Anyways, wait and see right? :P
    A while ago when the SAC F-60 first appeared on the road, Pupu said that the PLAAF is happy with J-20 and won't have the F-60...
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    A while ago when the SAC F-60 first appeared on the road, Pupu said that the PLAAF is happy with J-20 and won't have the F-60...
    SAC probably thinks there's enough time to convince the PLAAF otherwise. Get the project rolling, build a few prototypes, go through the testing, and market it to a large audience. Eventually the PLAAF may decide to be a buyer but if not they can aim for other markets too.
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    Well... for what purpose this bird is suppose to be for is still pretty unclear at this stage. It might be solely for export purposes and with very little internal market, and the Chinese might had predicted that their largest customer being Pakistan who already was using the WS-13 so it is easier and cleaner logistically wise for the Pakistanis this way.

    Another reason for the WS-13 was that the engine was available now and so they are used to fly the prototype. Who knows in the future other engines will be used?
    Well as far as PAF is concerned they will first evaluate this baby & put their inputs if needed then they will wait till the maturity of J31 & F60. same the way they did with J10 put their inputs & now waiting the induction of matured J10B.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timepass View Post
    Well as far as PAF is concerned they will first evaluate this baby & put their inputs if needed then they will wait till the maturity of J31 & F60. same the way they did with J10 put their inputs & now waiting the induction of matured J10B.
    Actually that is the case for all countries who are getting something new. However that might not be the rule of the thumb. Look at JF-17, the Chinese didn't order much, rather this seemed to be a bird solely for the Pakistanis. As I have mentioned, the main purpose for the J-31 is still unclear at present moment, was it aimed solely at export market, was it for the PLAN, was it design as a replacement for older J-10, all was unclear.
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    Pakistan will not have any input in the development of this aircraft, as they do not operate a comparable platform
    JF-17 was a JV, and they had extensive experience with the F-16

    Replacement for the J-10? CAC will make sure that does not happen, J-10B will have plenty of service years even after the J-31 is ready to be inducted, also the rumor of single engined J-2X

    This J-31 is perfect for the PLAN like the F-18 and the USN, with the exception of being a generation ahead, thats why SAC is banking hard on this

    J-20 for carrier operations? Impossibru!!!
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    Rhino & Paintgun, you took me wrong. I didn't say that PAF have their inputs on this baby.

    I have clearly mention in my post that PAF will first evaluate & if possible they will give their in puts & that is only when PAF is intersted in this baby.

    JF 17 was JV but J10B is not but PAF officials are extensively involved in J10B creation & same we have seen with Quing class SSKs where PN officials are extensively involved & giving their outputs which gathered from AUG-90B which currently they are operating plus the informations they had of Merlin & U-214 which on offer to PN from French & Germans since last couple of years.

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    yes that is certainly possible

    i think the Qing sale is just hot air, but somehow it grew into PN input into it? and also the J-10B?
    i'll just say i'm skeptical about that, cause it is OT

    the JF-17 is a well documented JV on the other hand

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    Quote Originally Posted by timepass View Post
    Rhino & Paintgun, you took me wrong. I didn't say that PAF have their inputs on this baby.

    I have clearly mention in my post that PAF will first evaluate & if possible they will give their in puts & that is only when PAF is intersted in this baby.

    JF 17 was JV but J10B is not but PAF officials are extensively involved in J10B creation & same we have seen with Quing class SSKs where PN officials are extensively involved & giving their outputs which gathered from AUG-90B which currently they are operating plus the informations they had of Merlin & U-214 which on offer to PN from French & Germans since last couple of years.


    I understand what you meant. What I meant however is that, all nations who wanted to buy anything be it from US, Russia or China or Europe, would wanted to have their input on the items they are buying. Like when Singapore bought their first F-15, that aircraft was customised to the Singaporean's needs same as when they bought the Frigates from France, same goes for India when they bought their Su30mki and also their aircraft carrier from Russia. It was nothing new actually.

    I would expect the Pakistani to have their own preferences of the aircraft that they will be piloting, be it a J-10B or the F-60 or whatever arms, they would want the Chinese to customise those aircrafts to what they wanted and needed rather than selling and getting whatever the Chinese are using. I can be sure that the version of J-10B or J-10 or whatever arms that the Pakistani now flies are different from the current versions operated by the chinese, really that is not that unusual or only the Pakistani is doing it

    Next, what I see the J-31 was that... at this stage, no one (outside the circle) actually know what it was meant for. It might be solely for export, it might be for PLAN, it might be for replacement of J-10 or J-11/ J-11B, no one is sure.

    Although many people are pretty sure this aircraft is for the aircraft carrier... but up till now... China only had 1 aircraft carrier, and who know when the next aircraft carrier will be inducted, and at present, they already have the J-15 carrier borne fighters which had not been inducted yet. So as and when the J-15 is finally ready, will it coincide with the J-31's induction and would it be easier or better to wait for the J-31 for 1 or 2 more years then to just buy the J-15 and be done with it?

    Or would the number of aircrafts needed be big enough to make it worthwhile to keep two programs alive just for... say... 1 or 2 aircraft carriers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by latenlazy View Post
    SAC probably thinks there's enough time to convince the PLAAF otherwise. Get the project rolling, build a few prototypes, go through the testing, and market it to a large audience. Eventually the PLAAF may decide to be a buyer but if not they can aim for other markets too.
    That's not how it went with F-35. Several countries paid a lot of money even before the first aircraft was built.

    PLAN might like large aircraft but for use on a flattop it has advantages to have smaller aircraft, especially for a pure fighter if you have already a strike fighter.
    Designing for air base and aircraft carrier use is seldom successful, think of the TFX of the early 'sixties, but it is not as ridiculous as also having a STOVL variant.
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    People who mentions discrepancy between Liaoning and J-31, seems to forget that the J-15 is there to equip Liaoning for training and future combat operations

    But have we seen catapult shuttle equipped on J-15's nose landing gear?

    If there is none, then the J-15 will not be suitable for future Chinese CATOBAR carrier, or will require extensive testing and modification, the Su-33 itself is not a CATOBAR airframe

    the J-31 may probably be the only aircraft used on future Chinese CATOBAR carrier, which will be ready when the J-31 is ready, incidentally similar time line? perhaps not

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