Shouldn't this be in the Air Force forum?
This is a discussion on PLAAF's current strength within the Air Force forums, part of the China Defense & Military category; I have a question. Ok with the J-10,J-10B,J-11,Su-30 in the PLAAF's air fleet, how strong is the PLAAF in comparison ...
I have a question. Ok with the J-10,J-10B,J-11,Su-30 in the PLAAF's air fleet, how strong is the PLAAF in comparison with the international community?
This being in terms of readiness against aerial elements of the NATO, IAF, JSDF, USAF, and other first-world nations.
And by what I mean, will be engagements with fleets of fighters starting from F-15 and after.
How well will China's modern fleet (excluding <Su-27) do in response to modern air force of 4th generation and after. (We can exclude the F-22)
If there can be a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being US, where will China be placed in?
When do you guys speculate the PLAAF will phase out everything less than the 4th? Or when PLAAF will completely replace its entire fleet with 4th generation and beyond?
Also how are the Chinese AEW, EW, strategic bombing capabilities currently?
Lastly I've heard a lot about J-11, J-11B, etc. Some people compared it to the Su-33, Su-30, or even the Su-35, and I don't know much about it. What is it that makes the J-11s very special? and which aircraft will the J-11(B) be comparable with in aerial performance? To me the J-11 still resembles the Su-27 family, so in fact I'm very curious what/where makes the J-11 different
Hope someone can answer all my enquiries, thank you
Last edited by ravenshield936; 07-16-2009 at 05:29 PM.
Shouldn't this be in the Air Force forum?
it prolly makes more sense to compare them within a certain strategic context, like say Taiwan Strait. (not to say that they are actually gonna do it)
dont know if this might be an overstatement but the way i see it, the PLAAF should be good enough to accomplish the task of taking Taiwan by 2015. by then the PLAAF should already be quite familiar with a lot of the new toys they have just recently received, such as KJ-2000 and KJ-200 or J-11B.
though the PLAAF's modern fleet is still relatively small in quantity, but considering the fact that the USAF wouldnt be throwing everything they've got in Asia Pacific, the Chinese should be capable of handling potential NATO adversaries.
the only thing i am unsure of is training. it used to be pretty bad, but from what i am reading, in recent years the training standards of PLAAF pilots and ground crew, at least for the frontline units, are not far behind their NATO counterparts.
as for 4th gen fighters, i think its too early to talk about that, there isnt even a complete theory on operating a 4th gen fleet, so not even the USAF is gonna convert all of their aircrafts into 4th gen. its a waste of time and money.
Its one thing to just compare the fleets of planes on paper, and its another thing in actual combat. I was watching the youtube videos (posted before) regarding the performance of Su-30MKIs vs F15s at Red Flag in US, and it is clear that fighting strength is so much more than the weapons you have.
YouTube - part 1 F-15 pilot opinion about the SU-30 MKI at Red Flag
the China air force is placed in a scale of 5 or 6
the J-11b is a Su-27 produced by the china and used china patrs
He sounds as if he wants to know how we rank the PLAAF in relation to other leading countries and perhaps a rank out of 10 in effectiveness/capability
In this manner I would put it about fourth = with Japan but with a ?. So it would be USA EUROPE/under Nato,: Russia: China/Japan? perhaps being untested I would give it a 7+
less than 500 ,if not 400 PLAAF fighters aircraft is consider top of the line.the rest such F-8,f-7 were consider obsolete.
Wrong... it's all about technology and industrial power. The technology level on the J-10 and J-11B is superior to anything the Russians deploy. The aircraft entering service soon like the J-10B is technologically equivalent to the Eurofighter and Rafale. Chinese aircraft in prototype stage like the J-20 is superior to the F-22, and in fact would likely be the most advanced fighter in the world when it enters service.
What's even more overwhelming is China's industrial power. China can order mass production of J-10B and J-11B quicker and cheaper than the Russians, Europeans or Americans. The bottleneck was the modern turbofan engine, that China finally resolve in 2009.
To get a sense of where PLAAF is going, just look at the Second Artillery. China's missile technology is ahead of Russians, ahead of Europeans and very close to that of the US. This is why only the US and China have conducted exoatmospheric ballistic missile defense tests.
The future of China is not to sit in second place behind anybody. A momentous shift in attitude is taking place among the Chinese leadership regarding its place in the world, and this shift is having a huge effect on the rest of the world.
I hope some will appreciate this overview of the Plaff/Planaf,not saying there is anything new.
International Assessment and Strategy Center > Research > China’s Aviation Sector: Building Toward World Class Capabilities