PLAAF's current strength

Shouldn't this be in the Air Force forum?

it prolly makes more sense to compare them within a certain strategic context, like say Taiwan Strait. (not to say that they are actually gonna do it)
dont know if this might be an overstatement but the way i see it, the PLAAF should be good enough to accomplish the task of taking Taiwan by 2015. by then the PLAAF should already be quite familiar with a lot of the new toys they have just recently received, such as KJ-2000 and KJ-200 or J-11B.
though the PLAAF's modern fleet is still relatively small in quantity, but considering the fact that the USAF wouldnt be throwing everything they've got in Asia Pacific, the Chinese should be capable of handling potential NATO adversaries.
the only thing i am unsure of is training. it used to be pretty bad, but from what i am reading, in recent years the training standards of PLAAF pilots and ground crew, at least for the frontline units, are not far behind their NATO counterparts.
as for 4th gen fighters, i think its too early to talk about that, there isnt even a complete theory on operating a 4th gen fleet, so not even the USAF is gonna convert all of their aircrafts into 4th gen. its a waste of time and money.

Its one thing to just compare the fleets of planes on paper, and its another thing in actual combat. I was watching the youtube videos (posted before) regarding the performance of Su-30MKIs vs F15s at Red Flag in US, and it is clear that fighting strength is so much more than the weapons you have.

YouTube - part 1 F-15 pilot opinion about the SU-30 MKI at Red Flag

the China air force is placed in a scale of 5 or 6

the J-11b is a Su-27 produced by the china and used china patrs

Originally Posted by asd65672

the J-11b is a Su-27 produced by the china and used china patrs

I think you mean, the J-11 is a Chinese license built Su-27. The J-11B is based on the J-11, modified and upgraded.

If you will, I would recommend you to read the posts in the Flankers Thread, more experience posters have posted there and it is a good read.

Originally Posted by asd65672

the China air force is placed in a scale of 5 or 6

Could you elaborate more. What do you mean by scale of 5 or 6, what is that scale based on?

He sounds as if he wants to know how we rank the PLAAF in relation to other leading countries and perhaps a rank out of 10 in effectiveness/capability

In this manner I would put it about fourth = with Japan but with a ?. So it would be USA EUROPE/under Nato,: Russia: China/Japan? perhaps being untested I would give it a 7+

Originally Posted by bladerunner

He sounds as if he wants to know how we rank the PLAAF in relation to other leading countries and perhaps a rank out of 10 in effectiveness/capability

In this manner I would put it about fourth = with Japan but with a ?. So it would be USA EUROPE/under Nato,: Russia: China/Japan? perhaps being untested I would give it a 7+

I agree USA and EUROPE is definitely more advanced than the Chinese. Russia is still far ahead of CHina in term of aero technology but however I am very confident to say that although Russia have a lot of greater fight jets but their own airforce dont got any money to order them.. go check the current fighters being depolyed in Russia... very outddated.

less than 500 ,if not 400 PLAAF fighters aircraft is consider top of the line.the rest such F-8,f-7 were consider obsolete.

Wrong... it's all about technology and industrial power. The technology level on the J-10 and J-11B is superior to anything the Russians deploy. The aircraft entering service soon like the J-10B is technologically equivalent to the Eurofighter and Rafale. Chinese aircraft in prototype stage like the J-20 is superior to the F-22, and in fact would likely be the most advanced fighter in the world when it enters service.

What's even more overwhelming is China's industrial power. China can order mass production of J-10B and J-11B quicker and cheaper than the Russians, Europeans or Americans. The bottleneck was the modern turbofan engine, that China finally resolve in 2009.

To get a sense of where PLAAF is going, just look at the Second Artillery. China's missile technology is ahead of Russians, ahead of Europeans and very close to that of the US. This is why only the US and China have conducted exoatmospheric ballistic missile defense tests.

The future of China is not to sit in second place behind anybody. A momentous shift in attitude is taking place among the Chinese leadership regarding its place in the world, and this shift is having a huge effect on the rest of the world.

Originally Posted by Roger604

Wrong... it's all about technology and industrial power. The technology level on the J-10 and J-11B is superior to anything the Russians deploy. The aircraft entering service soon like the J-10B is technologically equivalent to the Eurofighter and Rafale. Chinese aircraft in prototype stage like the J-20 is superior to the F-22, and in fact would likely be the most advanced fighter in the world when it enters service.

What's even more overwhelming is China's industrial power. China can order mass production of J-10B and J-11B quicker and cheaper than the Russians, Europeans or Americans. The bottleneck was the modern turbofan engine, that China finally resolve in 2009.

To get a sense of where PLAAF is going, just look at the Second Artillery. China's missile technology is ahead of Russians, ahead of Europeans and very close to that of the US. This is why only the US and China have conducted exoatmospheric ballistic missile defense tests.

The future of China is not to sit in second place behind anybody. A momentous shift in attitude is taking place among the Chinese leadership regarding its place in the world, and this shift is having a huge effect on the rest of the world.

hmmmm ... I think you are a little bit too optimistic about PLAAF :-)

Originally Posted by antiterror13

hmmmm ... I think you are a little bit too optimistic about PLAAF :-)

I admire you subtlety.

I hope some will appreciate this overview of the Plaff/Planaf,not saying there is anything new.
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