New JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[maozedong]

Originally Posted by coolieno99

IMHO I wouldn't be surprised if China offered Pakistan the J-11 besides the J-10.

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Pakistani girls welcoming President Hu Jintao's visit, Nov. 2006

I don't think so.
J-11 is Chinese made Su-27, China bought produce right from Russia for 200, this amount suppose to be PLA needs. I read a book write from a military commentator Lin Chaung Shun mentioned that China have to paid 10 billion to buy this produce rirht.
China needs these long range fighters because China is a large country.
China offered J-10 to pakistan maybe possible.

[crobato]

One thing they could have adopted is Double Delta, like the J-7E. But they didn't.

What the FC-1 has in effect is what is called a "clipped" delta. The F-16 has that too. It does have a basic triangular form of a delta but lacks the sweep of true deltas. In my opinion, the FC-1 has a bit more of low speed turn performance in mind. The reshape of the LERX probably has the intention of raising the angle of attack limits. The intake change from variable to fixed DSI may improve engine response at lower speeds, helping in acceleration.

[Scratch]

As regards crobato's assesment.
If the curent J-10 really is a transitioning to an even more advanced twin-engined, (thus heavier) version. There may then be space again for a (improved?) JF-17. Unless they keep building both versions of the J-10 (single and twin-engined).
The J-11B can be the medium to heavy fighter-bomber, as are the F-15C, -15E. While the twin-engined J-10 can then be the highly sophisticated and dedicated air-superiority fighter with perhaps a secondery, low destict attack role (F-22).
Now remains the light-medium sized fighter/attacker for the workhorse role (F-16/-35). The current J-10 is quiet well in that range, a bit below it actually. That means you already have all roles filled, if single- and twin-engined J-10s are produced. Wich I think shouldn't be that much a problem, the aircraft could be pretty common.
And for the standart workhorse role, if the current J-10 isn't continued and not bought it sufficient numbers (what I somehow doubt) the JF-17 would not offer enough (payload), IMO. It would not really be an improvement over J-7s to use less fighters for a given task.

With all those projects, producing still more JF-17 (adding to the already build export units), how would it effect production capacities?

To the circles and covering same areas with less fighter due to greater range, does also come that less fighters wich can carry more payload are easier to hide during a strike than an armada of many small aircraft perhaps supported by tankers.

[crobato]

My guess is that the single engined J-10s will still be produced out of sheer legacy momentum but the twin engined plane will gradually expand its presence. Note that by the next decade, some Su-27s are going to face retirement too, and towards the end of 2020, even the Su-30MKKs.

So if you imagine a mix that is shaped like a hamburger, hi as the top bun, the middle as the meat, as the lo as the bottom bun. The middle will grew as the top and the bottom grow thinner.

2010-2020 we will start seeing some serious retirements in the PLAAF. As much as half to two thirds of the J-8IIs and J-7s can be retired.

The thing one can ask if the JF-17 is a viable plane in the next decade. There are many answers to that, and its not clear cut. But it is at least important that that the plane keeps getting updated. Better engines and better radars and sensors to start with.

I made up a short list of what you can expect.

JF-17 vs. J-10

Range: I guess this one goes to the J-10

Payload: J-10 takes this by nearly double.

AAM payload: No surprise. Both are actually equal.

Bomb payload: J-10 wins here thanks to a few extra hardpoints in the fuselage.

Potential radar ranges: J-10's radome of 700mm gives only an incremental advantage over the FC-1's 600mm. Not much then.

Avionics: Equal. Both can avail of the stuff for each other.

Agility: I am in the opinion that the J-10 is significantly superior in the instantaneous turns, supersonic maneuverbility, vertical plane maneuvers due to the greater power and a bit better on the sustained turn rate, The lightness of the FC-1 may make it turn tighter on the horizontal plane. Both may have good AoA performance against potential opponents.

BVR: Surprisingly both are equal. The J-10's slightly larger radar maybe offset by the FC-1's smaller radar signature (IMO). The FC-1 can do wonders in a networked enviroment which equalizes radar performance for all.

Cost: FC-1 is cheaper initially.

Operating cost: About the same, IMO.

Looking at this, if you're talking about a cost effective BVR platform, the FC-1 fits the bill. A bit more range, payload, and WVR needed in requirements and you are looking at the J-10. This is not to say the FC-1 cannot handle non ACD opponents (Active Canard Delta) in WVR; it will and conventionally winged opponents is what it is far more likely to face. WVR is equally about pilot training, initiative, aggression, skill and not the least opportunity and luck. This is one area where sometimes being more maneuverable does not always guarantee a victory.

With all those projects, producing still more JF-17 (adding to the already build export units), how would it effect production capacities?

Its a problem if its competiting with the J-10 for space. But it looks like J-10 production is set in phases and blocks. After they produce one block, there is a gap or delay just as the next improved version is being readied. During those gaps, you can be producing FC-1s instead. You can alternate, produce the new version J-10s as the FC-1 batch finishes its run and the next version of the FC-1 is being developed and readied.

[crobato]

4) I think we might get a case with JF-17 like the J-7G scenario where the export version get SY-80 and domestic get KLJ-6E. So in this case, export JF-17 will get a 607 or 38 institute radar and domestic get lab 14. It's also dependent on the customer. If PAF wants a radar with better SAR capability or A2S capability, then a 607 radar may be a better fit.

I'm not sure if the F-7BG got SY-80 or any of the two at all. It is interesting to note that the J-7G doesn't use a black nose cone.

If the FC-1 to be presented to Pakistan has to suddenly change radar, why bother testing on the PT 04 and 06 at all. It sounds like one years of work is just thrown away overnight.

Which brings us to the equetion how China can deliver two planes to Pakistan without signing the reexport clause.

There is a change that plane red 2 may yet be another prototype to develop another radar, signifying a change in the radar supplier direction. Or simply, its just a new low visibility radome and the radar for all this time, is still the same. Would this grey radome happen also in later batches of the J-10 and in the J-11B as it goes into production?

Personally I kind of like the J-10 with a grey radome. On the other hand, putting a new grey radome on the J-11B would make it more difficult to tell the plane apart from the older J-11s.

[maozedong]

This is the article I found in the chinese websit,translated by babel fish translate,this artcle describe a lot of FC-1 JF17 storys,that the fighter seams not so bad.
“枭龙”飞机由中航一集团与巴基斯坦空军共同投资，由一航成都飞机研究所、成都飞机工业集团等自主研制。该 机“家源”颇深，脱胎于歼-7/米格-21，成型于超-7，最终定型为FC-1“枭龙”(巴基斯坦命名为JF-17“雷电”/“军刀Ⅱ”)。可以说，经过后来的重新设计，今天的FC-1“枭龙”战机已经是与最初的歼-7完全不同的一种新型战机了。
现在，随着“枭龙”04号战机的成功首飞，很多媒体都对“枭龙”战机的相关情况作了深入报道，但有不少读者 关心的“现实问题”却罕有说明，比如：这次试飞的为什么是“枭龙”04号，它的01——03号机情况如何？ “枭龙”04号战机究竟“新”在哪里，他跟以前的“枭龙”比有什么特别的地方？“枭龙”战机造价是多少钱， 它能为中国和巴基斯坦带来巨额的外汇收入么？与国际市场上的美国法国战机相比，他们有足够的竞争力么？装备 了“枭龙”战机的巴基斯坦空军可以抵消印度空军的技术优势么...这些疑问，我们都可以从下面的文章中看到 相应的分析。
FC-1“枭龙”战机目前有“四兄弟”，编号从01——04。据资料显示，1992年初，中航进出口总公司、61 1所和成飞公司负责人被秘密召往北京，接受“秘密指示”，这个任务后来就逐渐演变为了我们今天看到的“枭龙 ”战机。据官方资料显示，先后在2003年、2004年首飞的枭龙01、03架属平台状态，着重于机体研制 ，主要用于支持试飞，保障飞行安全。而枭龙02号机从生产出来起就没有上天过，它被用作“静力测试”，静静 的躺在位于成都黄田坝的成都飞机制造厂车间里。
对于FC-1“枭龙”战机的四兄弟研制历程，官方文件是这么记载的：1998年，中国和巴基斯坦两国政府签署合作发展 超七飞机的原则协议。1999年，中巴签署合作研制超七飞机的机体合同。2001年，中国航空工业第一集团 公司明确超-7飞机01架航电系统采用“简化方案”，先开发飞机平台。2001年9月，冻结“枭龙”零一/零三架技术状态，进行详细设计。2002年10月，“枭龙”战机完成详细设计发图，组建八大试验台，开始相 关试验。2003年8月，“枭龙”01架原型机首飞成功。2004年4月，“枭龙”03架原型机成功首飞。 2004年6月，中巴签订“枭龙”战机全状态航电开发及技术转让合同。2004年7月，超-7飞机被正式重新命名为“枭龙/FC-1”飞机，巴方称其为“JF-17雷电战斗机”。2005年1月，“枭龙”战机完成04架结构详细设计发图，同年3月完成系统详细设计发 图。2005年11月，“枭龙”战机04架进入总装。2006年4月上旬，“枭龙”战机完整航电系统完成研 制并交付装机。2006年4月28日，全状态的“枭龙”04架战机首飞成功。
“枭龙全状态04架飞机与01、03架飞机相比具有两个主要亮点：一是采用了先进的‘蚌’式进气道设计技术 ，二是配置了先进的全状态航电系统。”成都飞机设计研究所副总设计师朱谦在枭龙04架飞机28日首飞成功之 后说。
所谓‘蚌’式进气道，也叫无隔道进气道，就是在进气口前方的机身上设计一个鼓包，用鼓包取代了传统的隔道与 调板系统，通过这个鼓包对进入进气道的空气进行预压缩，并且吹除附面层。“蚌”式进气道设计是航空气动领域 中较为领先的技术，对提高飞机平台性能，具有较高实用价值。“我们与美国基本同步展开研究的这项技术，目前 仅在美国的F-35联合攻击机和枭龙04架飞机上得到了应用。”朱谦说。
枭龙04架飞机还配装了国内最先进的高度综合化的航空电子和武器系统，配置了“一平三下”座舱显示设备，综 合控制显示取代了所有系统的备份仪表，良好的人机界面向飞行员提供更加丰富的作战信息，操作便捷。朱谦介绍 说：“航天综合设计技术是国际上的一项高新技术，枭龙04架飞机的成功首飞，标志着综合航电系统的研制取得 了重大进展，实现了这种技术由引进向出口的跨越。”=>详细
“巴基斯坦空军一共订购了150架JF-17，其中也包括了若干数量用作教练和战术使用的双座改型。这150架JF-17的联合生产将由我们的PAC和中国的成都飞机公司共同完成。作为这项长期合作合同的组成部分，成立联合 的销售和市场开拓团队自然也是顺理成章的事情。包含大量高新技术的JF-17将给巴基斯坦空军带来一场革命，也将极大提高巴基斯坦自己研制生产高性能战机的能力。JF-17量产型的首批产量为16架：其中8架交付中国，8架交付给巴基斯坦。2006年6月各交付给中国和巴基 斯坦的头4架JF-17都将由成都飞机公司生产，第二批次的8架将在2006年最后一个季度交付使用，其中4架交付给中国的生 产仍由成都飞机公司承揽，而巴基斯坦需要的那4架则在PAC完成装配。”
“JF-17的系列化生产肯定要等到在其原型机上完成航电整合工作和武器鉴定合格定型之后。所以头批次的8架战机就 将会是全功能型的多重任务战机。但是，在JF-17上整合其它备选航电设备以及雷达的工作仍在继续进行，主要是根据客户的选择和要求来决定到底采用那款雷 达和哪国出产的航电设备。”——巴基斯坦空军少将沙希德.拉提夫（JF-17“雷电”战机开发项目主管）=>详细
记者从JF-17研制计划主要参与者、负责中国航空装备进出口贸易的中国航空技术进出口总公司(简称：中航技)新闻发言 人处了解到：中航技领导已经就此事与俄罗斯负责相关装备出口的部门进行了沟通，俄方表示RD-93型发动机对中国的出口没有任何问题，对于该发动机从中国转口其他国家，只要不违背联合国的相关规定，也 没有任何问题。
记者还致电负责制造JF-17的成都飞机工业集团公司。成飞宣传部的副部长周文表示：“目前‘枭龙’原型机的研制和试飞一直保持比较 好的态势。第4架原型机的制造正在进行中。该机未来的首飞将比01号和03号的首飞更有看头，不过具体首飞 的时间不可以透露。”针对巴空军可能削减‘枭龙’采购数量的说法，周文表示，“这种说法完全不符合事实。‘ 枭龙’的研制正按计划正常进行。目前，‘枭龙’在国际市场上正受到越来越多的关注。”
　随后，记者致电巴基斯坦驻华空军武官阿格哈·查希尔(Zaheer)空军上校，他表示将就这两个问题详细 了解一下情况，查明后将于次日致电记者并给予答复。2天后，查希尔上校致电本记者，上校明确表 示：“JF-17的研制计划不变，巴空军采购JF-17的计划也不变。”=>详细

"The owlet dragon" the airplane invests together by a China National Aviation Corp group and the Pakistani air force, by a navigation Chengdu airplane research institute, the Chengdu airplane industry group and so on independently develops. This machine "the family source" is quite deep, leaves the womb to J -7/ Mig -21, takes shape to Super J -7, the finally stereotypia is FC-1 "the owlet dragon" (Pakistan names is JF-17 "thunder and lightning"/"saber II"). It can be said that, passed through the afterwards redesign, today FC-1 "the owlet dragon" the fighter plane already was and initial J -7 completely different one kind of new fighter plane. Now, while "the owlet dragon" the 04th fighter plane become successfull first flies, very multimedia all the fighter plane related situation has made the thorough report to "the owlet dragon", but has many readers to care about "the realistic problem" actually rarely to explain, for instance: Why is this test flight "the owlet dragon" 04, its 01 - 03 machine what state? "The owlet dragon" is the 04th fighter plane outcome "new" in where, what special place did he "the owlet dragon" the ratio have with before? How much money "the owlet dragon" is the fighter plane construction cost, it can brings the large amount foreign exchange earnings for China and Pakistan? Compares with the international market in American France fighter plane, they have the enough competitive ability? Equipped "the owlet dragon" the fighter plane Pakistani air force to be allowed to counterbalance the Indian air force the technical superiority.. These questions, we all may see the corresponding analysis from the under article. FC-1 "the owlet dragon" the fighter plane at present has "four brothers", serial number from 01-04. According to the material demonstrated that, at the beginning of 1992, the China National Aviation Corp import and export main corporation, 611 institutes and CAC top officers were called toward Beijing, accepted "the secret to instruct", this duty afterwards on gradually evolved in order to we see "the owlet dragon" today the fighter plane. According to the official material demonstrated that, successively the owlet dragon which in 2003, 2004 new years flies 01, 03 are the platform condition, emphatically to the organism development, mainly uses in to support the test flight, the safeguard flight safety. But owlet dragon 02 machine from produce has not ascended the sky, it serves as "the static test", static lies down reigns to in the Chengdu Huangtian dam Chengdu aircraft factory workshop. "The owlet dragon" fighter plane four brothers develops the course regarding FC-1, the official document is such records: In 1998, China and the Pakistan government signed the cooperation to develop the ultra seven airplanes principle agreement. In 1999, China and Pakistan sign the cooperation to develop the Super-J-7 airplanes the organism contract. In 2001, the China aviation industry first group company is clear about the Super-J-7 airplane 01 navigations electricity system use "the reduction procedure", first develops the airplane platform. In September, 2001, the freeze "the owlet dragon" 01/03 technical conditions, carry on the detailed design. In October, 2002, "the owlet dragon" the fighter plane completes the detailed design to send the chart, sets up eight big test platforms, starts to be connected experiments. In August, 2003, "the owlet dragon" 01 prototypes noses fly successfully. In April, 2004, "the owlet dragon" 03 prototypes become succesfull first fly. In June, 2004, China and Pakistan sign "the owlet dragon" the fighter plane entire condition navigation electricity development and the technical transfer contract. In July, 2004, the Super-J-7 airplane reis officially named as "owlet dragon /FC-1" the airplane, Palestine called it is "the JF-17 thunder and lightning fighter aircraft". In January, 2005, "the owlet dragon" the fighter plane completes 04 structures detailed designs to send the chart, in the same year in March completes the system detailed design to send the chart. In November, 2005, "the owlet dragon" fighter plane 04 enter the general equipment department. At the beginning of April, 2006, "the owlet dragon" the fighter plane complete navigation electricity system completes the development and payment installing equipment. On April 28, 2006, the entire condition "the owlet dragon" 04 wars noses fly successfully. "The owlet dragon entire condition 04 airplanes with 01, 03 airplanes compare have two main luminescent spots: One, has used ' the freshwater mussel '(DSI) advanced the type air intake design technology, two was has disposed the advanced entire condition navigation electricity system." Chengdu airplane design research institute vice- chief designer Zhu Qian on 28th flies successfully after the owlet dragon 04 airplanes said. So-called ' freshwater mussel '(DSI) type air intake, also calls not to separate an air intake, is designs a drum package on the air inlet fuselage, substituted the tradition separate an air intake ajust panel system to drum package, to entered the air intake through this drum package the air to carry on the precompression, and blow off boundary layer. "The freshwater mussel" the type air intake design is in the aviation air operated domain the comparatively leading technology, to enhances the airplane platform performance, has a higher practical value. "We launch the research with American basic synchronization this technology, at present only obtained the application in US'S F-35 union attack airplane and on the owlet dragon 04 airplanes." Zhu Qian said. The owlet dragon 04 airplanes have also installed the home most advanced high integration aviation electron and the armament system, "evenly disposed three" the cabin graphic display device, the integrated control demonstration has substituted for all systems appendage, the good man-machine contact surface provided the richer combat information to the pilot, the operation is convenient. Zhu Qian introduced: "Astronautics synthesis design technology is an international on high-tech, the owlet dragon 04 airplanes becomes successfull flies, symbolized the synthesis navigation electricity system development has made the significant progress, has realized this kind of technology by the introduction to exportation surmounting." = Is detailed "The Pakistani air force altogether has ordered 150 JF-17, also included the somes to serve as the training and the tactical use double sit the modification. These 150 JF-17 union production will complete together by ours PAC and China's Chengdu airplane company. As this long-term cooperation contract constituent, the being established union sale and the market development team naturally also are the logical matter. Will contain the massive high-tech JF-17 to give Pakistan the air force to bring a revolution, also enormously will enhance Pakistan to develop the production high performance fighter plane the ability. The JF-17 quantity producing first batch output is 16: 8 pay China, 8 payments give Pakistan. In June, 2006 each payment all will produce for Chinese and Pakistan's first 4 JF-17 by the Chengdu airplane company, second raid of 8 in 2006 final quarter payment use, 4 payments still contracted for China's production by the Chengdu airplane company, but Pakistan needed that 4 completed the assembly in PAC." "The JF-17 serialized production definitely must wait till after its prototype completes the navigation electricity conformity work and the weapon appraisal qualified stereotypia. Therefore a raid of 8 fighter plane could be the entire function mission compound fighter plane. But, conformity other prepared on JF-17 chooses the navigation electricity equipment as well as the radar work still is continuing to carry on, mainly was and requests according to the customer choice to decide used the navigation electricity equipment which which country that section radar and produced." -Pakistan Major General Sha Xide Pulls raises the husband (JF-17 "thunder and lightning" fighter plane development project manager) = to be detailed Reporter from JF-17 development plan main attendant, is responsible for the China aircraft equipment import-export trade the Chinese aviation technology import and export main corporation (the abbreviation: China National Aviation Corp technique) news spokesperson place understanding: The China National Aviation Corp technique leadership already was responsible on this matter with Russia to be connected equips the exportation the department to carry on the communication, the Russia side expressed the RD-93 engine to China's exportation any question, has not transferred the mouth other countries regarding this engine from China, so long as did not violate the United Nations the correlation stipulation, also did not have any question. Reporter also sends a telegram is responsible to make JF-17 the Chengdu airplane industry group company. Becomes flies propaganda department's Vice-minister Zhou Wen to indicate that, "At present ' the owlet dragon ' the prototype development and the test flight continuously maintain the quite good situation. The 4th prototype manufacture is being carried on. This machine future first flying general will fly compared to 01 and 03 heads has the quality of being worth looking at, but concrete will fly the time will not be allowed to disclose." Possibly reduces ' the owlet dragon ' in view of the Pakistan air force the purchase quantity view, Zhou Wen indicated that, "this view completely does not conform to the fact. ' Owlet dragon ' the development normally is carrying on according to the plan. At present, ' the owlet dragon ' is receiving more and more many attention in the international market." Afterwards, reporter sends a telegram to the Pakistan stationed in China air attaches Zaheer colonels, he expressed on these two questions in detail understood the situation, after will verify sends a telegram to the next day reporter and gives the answer. After 2 days, Zaheer colonel send a telegram this reporter, colonel explicitly indicated that, "JF-17 development plan invariable, the Pakistan air force purchases JF-17 the plan to be also invariable." = Is detailed
"The owlet dragon" the airplane invests together by a China National Aviation Corp group and the Pakistani air force, by a navigation Chengdu airplane research institute, the Chengdu airplane industry group and so on independently develops. This machine "the family source" is quite deep, leaves the womb to J -7/ Mig -21, takes shape Super J -7, the finally stereotypia is FC-1 "the owlet dragon" (Pakistan names is JF-17 "thunder and lightning"/"saber II"). It can be said that, passed through the afterwards redesign, today FC-1 "the owlet dragon" the fighter plane already was and initial J -7 completely different one kind of new fighter plane. Now, while "the owlet dragon" the 04th fighter plane become successfull first flies, very multimedia all the fighter plane related situation has made the thorough report to "the owlet dragon", but has many readers to care about "the realistic problem" actually rarely to explain, for instance: Why is this test flight "the owlet dragon" 04, its 01-03 machine what state? "The owlet dragon" is the 04th fighter plane outcome "new" in where, what special place did he "the owlet dragon" the ratio have with before? How much money "the owlet dragon" is the fighter plane construction cost, it can brings the large amount foreign exchange earnings for China and Pakistan? Compares with the international market in American France fighter plane, they have the enough competitive ability? Equipped "the owlet dragon" the fighter plane Pakistani air force to be allowed to counterbalance the Indian air force the technical superiority.. These questions, we all may see the corresponding analysis from the under article. FC-1 "the owlet dragon" the fighter plane at present has "four brothers", serial number from 01-04. According to the material demonstrated that, at the beginning of 1992, the China National Aviation Corp import and export main corporation, 611 institutes and CAC top officers were called toward Beijing, accepted "the secret to instruct", this duty afterwards on gradually evolved in order to we see "the owlet dragon" today the fighter plane. According to the official material demonstrated that, successively the owlet dragon which in 2003, 2004 new years flies 01, 03 are the platform condition, emphatically to the organism development, mainly uses in to support the test flight, the safeguard flight safety. But owlet dragon 02 machine from produce has not ascended the sky, it serves as "the static test", static lies down reigns to in the Chengdu Huangtian dam Chengdu aircraft factory workshop. "The owlet dragon" fighter plane four brothers develops the course regarding FC-1, the official document is such records: In 1998, China and the Pakistan government signed the cooperation to develop the Super J-7 airplanes principle agreement. In 1999, China and Pakistan sign the cooperation to develop the Super J-7 airplanes the organism contract. In 2001, the China aviation industry first group company is clear about the Super J-7 airplane 01 navigations electricity system use "the reduction procedure", first develops the airplane platform. In September, 2001, the freeze "the owlet dragon" 01/03 technical conditions, carry on the detailed design. In October, 2002, "the owlet dragon" the fighter plane completes the detailed design to send the chart, sets up eight big test platforms, starts to be connected experiments. In August, 2003, "the owlet dragon" 01 prototypes noses fly successfully. In April, 2004, "the owlet dragon" 03 prototypes become successfull fly. In June, 2004, China and Pakistan sign "the owlet dragon" the fighter plane entire condition navigation electricity development and the technical transfer contract. In July, 2004, the Super J-7 airplane reis officially named as "owlet dragon /FC-1" the airplane, Palestine called it is "the JF-17 thunder and lightning fighter aircraft". In January, 2005, "the owlet dragon" the fighter plane completes 04 structures detailed designs to send the chart, in the same year in March completes the system detailed design to send the chart. In November, 2005, "the owlet dragon" fighter plane 04 enter the general equipment department. At the beginning of April, 2006, "the owlet dragon" the fighter plane complete navigation electricity system completes the development and payment installing equipment. On April 28, 2006, the entire condition "the owlet dragon" 04 wars noses fly successfully. "The owlet dragon entire condition 04 airplanes with 01, 03 airplanes compare have two main luminescent spots: One, has used ' the freshwater mussel ' advanced the type air intake design technology, two was has disposed the advanced entire condition navigation electricity system." Chengdu airplane design research institute vice- chief designer Zhu Qian on 28th flies successfully after the owlet dragon 04 airplanes said. So-called ' freshwater mussel' (DSI) type air intake, also calls not to separate an air intake, is designs a drum package on the air inlet fuselage, substituted the drum package for traditional separate an air intake with ajust panel system, to entered the air intake through this drum package the air to carry on the precompression, and blow off boundary layer. "The freshwater mussel" (DSI) the type air intake design is in the aviation air operated domain the comparatively leading technology, to enhances the airplane platform performance, has a higher practical value. "We launch the research with American basic synchronization this technology, at present only obtained the application in US'S F-35 union attack airplane and on the owlet dragon 04 airplanes." Zhu Qian said. The owlet dragon 04 airplanes have also installed the home most advanced high integration aviation electron and the armament system, "evenly disposed three" the cabin graphic display device, the integrated control demonstration has substituted for all systems appendage, the good man-machine contact surface provided the richer combat information to the pilot, the operation is convenient. Zhu Qian introduced: "Astronautics synthesis design technology is an international on high-tech, the owlet dragon 04 airplanes becomes successfull flies, symbolized the synthesis navigation electricity system development has made the significant progress, has realized this kind of technology by the introduction to exportation surmounting."The Pakistani air force altogether has ordered 150 JF-17, also included the somes to serve as the training and the tactical use double site the modification. These 150 JF-17 union production will complete together by ours PAC and China's Chengdu airplane company. As this long-term cooperation contract constituent, the being established union sale and the market development team naturally also are the logical matter. Will contain the massive high-tech JF-17 to give Pakistan the air force to bring a revolution, also enormously will enhance Pakistan to develop the production high performance fighter plane the ability. The JF-17 quantity producing first batch output is 16: 8 pay China, 8 payments give Pakistan. In June, 2006 each payment all will produce for Chinese and Pakistan's first 4 JF-17 by the Chengdu airplane company, second raid of 8 in 2006 final quarter payment use, 4 payments still contracted for China's production by the Chengdu airplane company, but Pakistan needed that 4 completed the assembly in PAC." "The JF-17 serialized production definitely must wait till after its prototype completes the navigation electricity conformity work and the weapon appraisal qualified stereotypia. Therefore a raid of 8 fighter plane could be the entire function mission compound fighter plane. But, conformity other prepared on JF-17 chooses the navigation electricity equipment as well as the radar work still is continuing to carry on, mainly was and requests according to the customer choice to decide used the navigation electricity equipment which which country that section radar and produced." -Pakistan Major General Sha Xide Pulls raises the husband (JF-17 "thunder and lightning" fighter plane development project manager) = to be detailed Reporter from JF-17 development plan main attendant, is responsible for the China aircraft equipment import-export trade the Chinese aviation technology import and export main corporation (the abbreviation: China National Aviation Corp technique) news spokesperson place understanding: The China National Aviation Corp technique leadership already was responsible on this matter with Russia to be connected equips the exportation the department to carry on the communication, the Russia side expressed the RD-93 engine to China's exportation any question, has not transferred the mouth other countries regarding this engine from China, so long as did not violate the United Nations the correlation stipulation, also did not have any question. Reporter also sends a telegram is responsible to make JF-17 the Chengdu airplane industry group company. Becomes flies propaganda department's Vice-minister Zhou Wen to indicate that, "At present ' the owlet dragon ' the prototype development and the test flight continuously maintain the quite good situation. The 4th prototype manufacture is being carried on. This machine future first flying general will fly compared to 01 and 03 heads has the quality of being worth looking at, but concrete will fly the time will not be allowed to disclose." Possibly reduces ' the owlet dragon ' in view of the Pakistan air force the purchase quantity view, Zhou Wen indicated that, "this view completely does not conform to the fact. ' Owlet dragon ' the development normally is carrying on according to the plan. At present, ' the owlet dragon ' is receiving more and more many attention in the international market." Afterwards, reporter sends a telegram the Pakistan stationed in China air attaches to Zaheer colonels, he expressed on these two questions in detail understood the situation, after will verify sends a telegram to the next day reporter and gives the answer. After 2 days, Zaheer colonel to send a telegram this reporter, colonel explicitly indicated that, "JF-17 development plan invariable, the Pakistan air force purchases JF-17 the plan to be also invariable." = Is detailed

[Ryz05]

It will be great if you can provide a summary of that article translation. It's too long and translation too poorly done for me to read.

[coolieno99]

This is the Google translated version:

"Fierce Dragon" aircraft from AVIC Group Ⅰ joint venture with the Pakistan Air Force, a flight from Chengdu Aircraft Design and Research Institute. Chengdu Aircraft Industrial Group, and other independent research. The aircraft, "said the source," is convinced that splintered from the F-Inhibition MIG-21, forming at Super-7 FTC-1 final stereotyped as "Fierce Dragon" (Pakistan named JF-17 "Thunder and Lightning" / "sabers II"). It can be said that through subsequent re-design Today, the FTC-1 "Xiaolong" fighter is the beginning of a new F-7 fighter a completely different. Now, with the "Fierce Dragon" 04 fighter successful maiden flight. Many media of the "Fierce Dragon" fighter-depth coverage of the relevant circumstances. But many readers are interested, "practical problems" in the rare shows, such as : Why is this test flight of the "Fierce Dragon" on the 4th. 01--03 how the plane? "Fierce Dragon" 04 fighter whether "new" where he and the former "Fierce Dragon" than any particular areas? "Fierce Dragon" fighter cost is how much money it can bring to China and Pakistan, huge foreign exchange earnings? And the American and French planes on the international market, they have enough competitive edge? Equipment of the "Fierce Dragon" fighter of the Pakistan Air Force Air India to be offset by the technical superiority Mody ... these questions. We can see from the article below corresponding analysis. FTC-1 "Xiaolong" fighter has "brothers" from the No. 01--04. Data show that early in 1992, the China Aviation Import and Export Corporation. and the CAC 61 1 person in charge have been secretly held in Beijing to accept the "secret instructions" Later, it evolved to this task, we can see the "Fierce Dragon" fighter. According to official statistics, one after another in 2003, the maiden flight of Xiaolong 01,03 F 2004 platform is a state, focused on the development of the body, mainly used for test flights and flight safety. Fierce Dragon on the 2nd and it has not produced planes from God, it was used as a "static test" Paddy lying quietly in Chengdu, the Chengdu Aircraft factory workshops Huang. For FTC-1 "Xiaolong" fighter's brothers development process : official documents such records in 1998. China and Pakistan signed an agreement in principle to develop Super7 aircraft. 1999, jointly developed by China and Pakistan signed a contract Super7 aircraft hull. 2001. China Aviation Industry Corporation clear Super 01 F-7 aircraft navigation system "to simplify programming." first aircraft development platform. In September 2001, freeze "Fierce Dragon" 301 / 303 F-technological status and detailed design. In October 2002, "Xiaolong" fighter made to complete the detailed design plans, set up eight test began relevant test. In August 2003, "Fierce Dragon" 01 flight of the prototype, made a successful maiden flight. April 2004, "Fierce Dragon," the success of the maiden flight of the prototype F-03. In June 2004, and Pakistan signed the "Fierce Dragon" fighter aircraft -- the entire state of development and technology transfer contracts. In July 2004, the Super-7 aircraft was officially re-named the "Fierce Dragon Fly" aircraft, Pakistan called "JF-17 Lightning fighter." In January 2005, "Fierce Dragon" F-04 fighters to complete the detailed design of structural development plan. March the same year to complete the detailed design of system development plans. November 2005, "Xiaolong" fighter planes entered the General 04. In early April 2006, "Xiaolong" fighter aircraft -- complete research and delivery systems installed. April 28, 2006, the entire state of the "Fierce Dragon" 04 fighter planes made a successful maiden flight. "Fierce Dragon whole state planes compared with 01,03 and 04 aircraft has two main highlights : First, the sophisticated 'shell' inlet design, Second, the allocation of the entire state of the advanced navigation system. "Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute Zhu Qianzhi, deputy chief designer of the F-04 flying Xiaolong said after the plane made a successful maiden flight on the 28th. The so-called 'shell' inlet, also known at no Inlet Road, in front of the inlet of a drum machine was designed. replacing the traditional drum at Road and regulation board system through the Bulge to enter the pre-compressed air inlet. and blown-off boundary layer. "Clam" in the field of pneumatic air inlet design is a more advanced technology to improve the performance of aircraft platforms. has high practical value. "We carried out simultaneously with the basic study of this technology. At present, only the United States F-35 joint strike aircraft and aircraft Xiaolong 04 has been applied. "Qian Zhu said. Xiaolong also allocated 04 planes equipped with the most advanced highly integrated avionics and weapons systems. distribution of "a three-level" cockpit display equipment Syndicated news show control system to replace all the backup instruments, a good man-machine interface to the combat pilots to provide more information, convenient operation. Qian Zhu said : "Space technology is a comprehensive international design a new, the success of the maiden flight of Xiaolong 04 planes. Integrated Avionics System marks significant progress has been made in the development. achieved by the introduction of this technology leap to exports. "> detailed" Pakistan Air Force has ordered 150 JF 17. Several of them, including a number of coaches and tactics for the use of seat, twin engine modifications. This joint production of the JF-17 150 China will be our PAC and the Chengdu Aircraft Company completed. As an integral part of this long-term contracts. the establishment of a joint sales and marketing team is also logical things natural. contain a lot of high-tech JF-17 Pakistan Air Force will bring a revolution, Pakistan will greatly enhance their ability to develop and produce high-performance aircraft. JF-17 production output of the first one - China delivered six F : 8. 8 planes delivered to Pakistan. June 2006-China and Pakistan for the delivery of the first four JF-17 will have Chengdu Aircraft Company, the second installment of the eight will be delivered in the last quarter of 2006. Four planes delivered to China's production still Chengdu Aircraft Corporation contract. Pakistan and four in the PAC it needs to complete assembly. "" will certainly have to wait until the production of JF-17 Series completed its prototype weapons and avionics integration accredited after stereotypes. Therefore, the first batch of eight fighters will be on the whole The multi-functional task fighter. However, -- JF-17 aircraft in the integration of other options for radar equipment and the work continued, Customer requirements are based mainly on the choice and use it in the end, to decide which country produced radar and avionics equipment. "-- Bucky Air Force Major General Shahid Emil Constantinescu. Ladifu (JF-17 "Lightning" aircraft development project manager) detailed from J> F-17 major players in the development program. China's aviation equipment import and export trade for the China Aviation Technology Import and Export Corporation (abbreviated as : CNAC technology) Spokesman Department learned : CNAC technology with the Russian leadership on this matter has been responsible for the communication equipment sector exports. Russia expressed RD-93 engine of China's exports, there is no problem. The engines from China for re-export to other countries, so long as they do not contravene the relevant provisions of the United Nations, there is no problem. The reporters also call for the Chengdu Aircraft Industrial Corporation, manufacture JF-17. Cheng Fei, deputy director of the Propaganda Department, Zhou said : "At present, 'Fierce Dragon' Development of the prototype has been tested and maintained relatively good posture. No. 4 flight of the prototype manufacturing ongoing China. The aircraft's maiden flight over the next 01 and the first flight on the 3rd more Remember, But the maiden flight of the time could not disclose specific. "It may reduce the Pakistan Air Force 'Fierce Dragon' procurement said, Zhou said, "This is entirely inconsistent with the facts. 'Fierce Dragon' development is on schedule and proceeding normally. Currently, 'Fierce Dragon' in the international market has been attracting more and more attention. "Later, Xinhua Ageha Zahir air attache at the Pakistani embassy in China (custody) Air Force Colonel, He said details about what happens on these two issues, to identify the next day after calling reporters, and will give a reply. Two days later, calling the press Zahir Colonel, Colonel specifically stated : "JF-17 development program unchanged. Pakistan Air Force plans to purchase JF-17 unchanged. "> detailed

[maozedong]

pakistan air force edited one advertising video for JF-17 FC-1 fighter recently.
it is intresting.
this is the video click:http://v.blog.sina.com.cn/b/1203807-1215464233.html

editor:some error in edition, it shows double post at this thread, please delete one,thanks!

[kickars]

Just found this picture on a Chinese website which says it's a new stealth verson of FC-1. To me it seems more like a PSed photo. But I must say FC-1 can be eaily converted without too many changes. Coz the only differece I can see is pure cosmatic (from wing forward).

[Deino]

Originally Posted by kickars

Just found this picture on a Chinese website which says it's a new stealth verson of FC-1. To me it seems more like a PSed photo. But I must say FC-1 can be eaily converted without too many changes. Coz the only differece I can see is pure cosmatic (from wing forward).

Only a very baaaaad PS !

[tphuang]

Interestingly enough, I found a really informative article on JF-17 and PAF on Kanwa, a little summary is as follows:
# Chinese AEW and Erieye will both be procured, PAF regards Erieye as AEW&C and Chinese AEW as AWACS, may point to Chinese one having more functionality.
# JF-17 is not enough to fulfill the requirements of PAF, that's why PAF is also negotiating with China to get J-10, which will be designated as FC-20. However, PAF is not going to restrict itself to just one source, so it may still buy more F-16s.
# JF-17s will definitely be in Pakistan prior to March 23rd.
# The radar is a competition bw lab 14 and 607 right now, although European radar may get into the competition in the future.
# As I predicted, the first 8 JF-17s, which are to be delivered by the end of this year, will all be using lab 607 radar.
# PAF is still evaluating the weapons package, not restricting themselves to just Chinese ones
# RD-93 engine is definitely not an issue contrary to Internet reports
# Pakistan will start JF-17 production in 2008
# 150 is just the first order of JF-17, there will be more orders from Pakistan.

I'm trying to get the entire translation, all the scanned photos of that article and more on my blog at http://china-pla.blogspot.com/

[crobato]

That will be interesting to see the radar offered on the export JF-17s. This has repercussions in the future for export J-10s. And it may have further repercussions along the road on future PLAAF contracts themselves. I personally don't mind (actually I kind of like to see) lab 607 get their radars on the J-10. Grey nosed J-10s, no?

[maglomanic]

Can anyone (Crobato or Feng )
shed light on this?
http://www.bolaa.com/military/readen...854716570.html

Is it pure speculation or does it make sense?

[tphuang]

Originally Posted by maglomanic

Can anyone (Crobato or Feng )
shed light on this?
http://www.bolaa.com/military/readen...854716570.html

Is it pure speculation or does it make sense?

I'm pretty sure that is just a summary that somebody did on what he read online regarding JF-17. You can pretty much find most of what he wrote in previous articles. As for his assessment that JF-17 is equivalent to F-16 C/D, that's all it is. His assessment and nothing else. As I mentionned, they are still conducting radar testing on JF-17, I'd like to know more about the capability of the radar and the rest of the avionics first.