New JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[Vlad Plasmius]

Russia has blocked the sale of Chinese fighter planes with Russian engines to Pakistan.

"We've denied China the right to supply its JF-17 fighter aircraft powered by Russian RD-93 engines to third countries, asking it to sign an end-user certificate for the engines," said Colonel-General Anatoly Mazurkevich, head of the Defence Ministry's International Cooperation Department.

President Pervez Musharraf said last year that the JF-17s would be flying in Pakistani skies by March 2007. Islamabad plans to acquire 150 JF-17s, known in China as FC-1. China has bought 100 Klimov RD-93 engines from Russia for installing on JF-17s, with an option to contract another 400 engines.

Source: The Hindu

This has been suspected for a while, but I think this is the first time there's been an announcement.

[tphuang]

Originally Posted by Vlad Plasmius

Source: The Hindu

This has been suspected for a while, but I think this is the first time there's been an announcement.

was it so hard to just put that article on this thread? What I've wanted to say about this situation can be found earlier in this thread. Don't need to repeat again.

[tphuang]

this is from Huitong regarding JF-17.

快讯：第一批两架废材将于3月10日交付小巴空军！

将参加3月23日巴基斯坦国庆节阅兵式。。。
着灰色涂装，取消鸡头空速管。。。

basically saying that the first 2 JF-17s will be handed over to PAF on March 10th and will particpate in Pakistan's national day celebration.
it will be in gray painting

[tphuang]

Just posting some of the pictures of a JF-17 that is about to be delivered to Pakistan

[Gollevainen]

As the previous jf-17 thread should have been closed, but still however people managed to post there, I decided to remove that thread completely and splitting those post made post-closing to new thread.

[optionsss]

interesting, I wonder what engine would they use, I also heard there were 10 prototypes delivered to PAF for training and evaluations, so does any body know what happened to the engine, are they gonna use a russian one or a new chinese version.

[bd popeye]

Why do we almost always see PLAAF aircraft with weapons loaded on them? Probally PS. Look at that brand new JF-17. Why on Earth would a brand new aircraft be armed? Does not add up to me. Probally some fanboy PSed that on an other wise nice photo.

[crobato]

Sorry but they do have missiles on them. But these are not real missiles, these are mockups with the actual weight and aerodynamics of the real missiles.

Why do they have them installed? That's because the flight properties of the aircraft, and the J-10 as well, are optimized with two AAMs onboard. In other words they fly better with those two AAMs---even if they're dead weight---than without them.

That's an old F-16 design trick.

Heck even the planes without radar and only flight telemetry equipment carry the mock up missiles too.

[tphuang]

http://scnews.newssc.org/system/2007...10257566.shtml

2006，在中国航空史上注定是举世瞩目的一年：

　　是年12月29日，我国自主研制的具有国际先进水平的新一代高性能、多用途、全天候歼击机———歼—1 0横空出世。

　　是年4月28日、5月10日，我国具有完全自主知识产权的枭龙04飞机，两次以完整版状态空考过关，相 继翱翔蓝天；12月，成飞承担的我国首架拥有自主知识产权的新支线客机机头—ARJ21交付，成飞集团销售 收入突破70亿元。

　　而45岁的罗荣怀，就是书写上述奇迹的成飞集团的掌舵人。

　　好梦凌云

　　作为军人的后代，罗荣怀从小就对蓝天充满向往：1978年填大学志愿时，他毫不犹豫报了航空院校，考入 了南京航空学院学习飞机设计。从1982年大学毕业到成飞试飞站，从当工艺员到1984年调入成飞公司办公 室当秘书，再到1992年，任民机公司15车间主任，继而是成飞公司生产指挥长、副总工程师、副总经理、总 经理。20多年时光转瞬即逝，罗荣怀离他少时的梦想越来越近。

　　去年，罗荣怀回到母校南航，在师弟师妹面前作了一场题为《守望长天》的演讲。“蓝天是我们航空人的理想 之所，我们要像守望自己的精神家园那样，把我们的理想、抱负、使命、责任、青春、激情、智慧、心血、汗水凝 聚到航空事业中，以一生的

　　赤诚丹心去守望它……”两个多小时，罗荣怀激情回眸了自己20多年的追梦历程，全场掌声雷动，热泪纷飞 。

　　枭龙出鞘

　　2003年3月，罗荣怀担任成飞集团公司董事长、总经理。上任之初，重点型号工程正进入决战时刻，多条 战线全面铺开，生产组织协调难度极大，资金又成为突出问题，加之“非典”疫情突袭，仿佛是故意折磨这位“少 帅”。

　　多年来，成飞集团虽然为国防事业立下过大功，其产值却一直徘徊在十几个亿之内，罗荣怀认为，这跟成飞的 身份极不相称。“必须突破，让成飞实现一系列飞跃！”刚刚走马上任的罗荣怀发誓。其实，罗荣怀已把突破口瞄 准了即将起飞的枭龙01战机。

　　2003年8月25日，是所有成飞人扬眉的日子：枭龙战机登场首飞。这天，42岁的现场总指挥罗荣怀， 特地穿了一件鲜红的T恤———他想用大吉大利的中国红为心中的梦祈福；枭龙01战机呼啸着刺穿苍穹的那一刻 ，全场的人都在欢呼雀跃，而罗荣怀却热泪横流。

　　首飞成功了！从8月25日到9月2日，袅龙01战机连飞8个起落，回回圆满。很快就进入了机动飞行，这 在任何型号的机型首飞史上是前所未闻的。

　　一飞冲天

　　2004年4月9日17时30分，枭龙03直刺蓝天，枭龙03的首飞成功，标志着成飞已具备了连续批量 生产枭龙机的能力。2006年4月28日、5月10日，枭龙04翱翔蓝天，标志着我国自行研制、具有国际先 进水平、拥有自主知识产权的枭龙轻型战机两次以完整版状态“空考”过关，为批量生产及出口奠定 了基础。

　　2006年12月，成飞承担的我国首架拥有自主知识产权的新支线客机机头—ARJ21顺利交付，标志着 我国航空工业首次完全面向市场；2006年12月29日，我国自主研制的具有国际先进水平的新一代高性能、 多用途、全天候歼击机———歼—10机冲天而起！

　　据罗荣怀透露，目前，国外客户对枭龙飞机兴趣颇大，抛出了200多架意向性订单；国内空军也在紧锣密鼓 地进行论证，订货量不下于数百架。据预测，未来20年，全球需新增民用机27200架，仅中国市场就需要1 700多架民用机，总价值高达2300亿美元。罗荣怀说，下一步，他们的目标将瞄准这块巨大的蛋糕，大做特 做！侯姝萍杨兴根记者杜成实习生李瑜

A lot of CAC propoganda here. Involving it's 3 major projects: J-10, JF-17 and the head of ARJ-21.

apparently, the CEO of CAC claims that JF-17 has received over 200 export orders and that domestic orders will exceed 100. yep, that's what it says.

[Kilo636]

Originally Posted by tphuang

http://scnews.newssc.org/system/2007...10257566.shtml

A lot of CAC propoganda here. Involving it's 3 major projects: J-10, JF-17 and the head of ARJ-21.

apparently, the CEO of CAC claims that JF-17 has received over 200 export orders and that domestic orders will exceed 100. yep, that's what it says.

I'm wondering where the additional 50 export order go? Zimbawe? With WS-13 almost ready,FC-1 prosper looks good.

[pshamim]

Originally Posted by tphuang

http://scnews.newssc.org/system/2007...10257566.shtml

A lot of CAC propoganda here. Involving it's 3 major projects: J-10, JF-17 and the head of ARJ-21.

apparently, the CEO of CAC claims that JF-17 has received over 200 export orders and that domestic orders will exceed 100. yep, that's what it says.

Well! we know for sure that 150 of the 200 were ordered by Pakistan. Where the other 50 going, only time will tell.

[Ryz05]

Originally Posted by tphuang

http://scnews.newssc.org/system/2007...10257566.shtml

A lot of CAC propoganda here. Involving it's 3 major projects: J-10, JF-17 and the head of ARJ-21.

apparently, the CEO of CAC claims that JF-17 has received over 200 export orders and that domestic orders will exceed 100. yep, that's what it says.

Domestic orders will exceed 100? Does that mean the PLAAF will recieve the JF-17? It makes you wonder how it compares with the newest J-7G fighter. It can't be that significantly better than the J-7G, which is already comparable to the F-16.

[Kilo636]

Originally Posted by Ryz05

It can't be that significantly better than the J-7G, which is already comparable to the F-16.

F-16A using a turbofan,has greater range, payload and capabilities (AtA,AtG)
than J-7G. Its bigger nose cone definitely house a better radar(APG-66?) than J-7G. I will say FC-1 is better than F-16A but inferior to F-16C/D Block 30.

[pshamim]

Though J-10 is a far superior aircraft, but it cannot replace every J6,7,and 8s in Chinese inventory.

PLAAF will definitely require another aircraft to eventually replace them and FC-1 is a good replacement for its lower cost, and superior technologies, and capabilities.

[crobato]

As what Crobato mention,this is the usual routine for PLAAF testing out new plane......

Let me rephrase that again. It's not for testing. Its because the plane's aerodynamics and flight control systems are optimized against a configuration with the plane having two missiles, instead of none.

It sounds unusual but this is how the F-16 was designed. These planes fly better with the two AAMs than without them.