New JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread!!!

[asif iqbal]

Lion i think you are failing to see the bigger picture and solutions to the issues we are discussing, so i will leave it there

[plawolf]

Its about understanding what's yr enemies capabilites. Strict control? I doubt that , unless the fighter jet or airbase is control by US forces which is not.

They may not be policed by US troops, but I believe part of the agreement is that US personnel can make unannounced visits to the air base at any time. In addition, the US probably have surveillance on the air base.

Even if Pakistan was willing to risk being caught red handed and allowed a few Chinese personnel onto the air base discretely, those engineers would be able to do precious little just looking at the equipment. There is not even a need for Chinese personnel to physically be at the base if they just wanted a look-see under the hood. The Pakistanis could easily take extremely detailed photo and videos themselves and pass that on.

The issue is that in order to get much useful information and technology, the equipment would need to not just be disassemble, but more importantly, tested. All the critical components are also 'black boxed', and if they are opened, the US would know about it next time they do a check of the planes (assuming the black boxes themselves do no contain sensors and transmitters designed to alert the US instantly if they have been tampered with).

The US are not fools, and have spent a great deal of time, effort and money to make sure their technology is as secure as possible.

[asif iqbal]

there is some info that PAF is working on getting JF17 to launch stand off land attack cruise missiles

the missile is called CM-400AKG a varient of C802, also known as CM-802AKG

the missile has its own advanced seeker which can be pre-programmed and ZDK-03 also datalink with it, it is designed to penetrate deep underground bunkers and fortifications

C802 has already succesfully been fired and hit a target fired from JF17, lets wait and see how this missile comes along, it is lighter than C802 but has a longer range meaning it can target locations deep into enemy territory

if this news is true it will open a new era for JF17

JF17 Thunder can fire vast array of advanced weapons for true multi-purpose capability

air-to-air missiles
air-land attack missiles
smart bombs like JDAM
anti-ship missiles

[A.Man]

A Real Footage Of A Bombing Run

http://static.youku.com/v1.0.0225/v/...MjExAgI%3D&wd=

[SinoSoldier]

there is some info that PAF is working on getting JF17 to launch stand off land attack cruise missiles

the missile is called CM-400AKG a varient of C802, also known as CM-802AKG

the missile has its own advanced seeker which can be pre-programmed and ZDK-03 also datalink with it, it is designed to penetrate deep underground bunkers and fortifications

C802 has already succesfully been fired and hit a target fired from JF17, lets wait and see how this missile comes along, it is lighter than C802 but has a longer range meaning it can target locations deep into enemy territory

if this news is true it will open a new era for JF17

JF17 Thunder can fire vast array of advanced weapons for true multi-purpose capability

air-to-air missiles
air-land attack missiles
smart bombs like JDAM
anti-ship missiles

Huh, could this be the rumored YJ-85 that we've been hearing about?

[asif iqbal]

Huh, could this be the rumored YJ-85 that we've been hearing about?

to be honest im not really sure myself sometimes i get lost of all these different names for similar systems

lets wait and see what comes of it, but it would certainly be a milestone if JF17 can handle a land attack cruise missile, that would be just awesome and its not out of the question

if it can fire C802 then its not much to ask, having our own version of the stand-off Black Shaheen!!! Pakistan alreay test fired its own version, its called Ra'ad LACM

[plawolf]

If a plane can carry AShMs, structurally, there is nothing stopping it from carrying ALCMs, especially if the ALCM is just a modified version of the AShM.

The software integration for the ALCM should be pretty straight forward as well, so if the PAF wants that capability, they will have it.

The only possible issue might be treaties, especially if the PAF wants to integrate ALCMs with ranges in excess of 300km. But there should be no issues if Pakistan were to integrate their own 300km+ cruise missile onto the JF17 themselves.

[tphuang]

Huh, could this be the rumored YJ-85 that we've been hearing about?

yj series are for anti-ship missiles. If you are asking about CM-802AKG, the closest equivalent in service with PLAAF is KD-88

[asif iqbal]

btw the 29th JF17 from PAC Kamra rolled of production line last month, it is sitting under a shelter waiting to be delivered

[asif iqbal]

here is a picture (taken on my iphone so sorry for the qaulity) of the 29th JF17 which has just rolled off the production line at Pak Kamra, SP-29 is sitting in a test hanger




Page 28 of AFM May issue

[asif iqbal]

so in total Pakistan has 8 + 29 JF17= 37 aircraft, 8 from the serial batch production (SBP) from Chengdu and 29 made at Kamra, we are going to make total of 42 JF17 Thunders at Kamra fulfulling our requirment for 50 Block I aircraft

so we are making another 13 aircraft (on top of 29 to make 42) plus the original 8 to give 50 aircraft, the 13 will be completed before this year finishes and we will start to manufacture Block II next year, the Block II will comprise of 100 units

Block II is finalised and its first flight is due in the coming months, in addition KARF (Kamra avionics and radar factory) are making JF17s KLJ-7 radar too

so to summerise, Pakistan has 2 squadrons operational No. 26 Squadron Black Spiders and No. 16 Squadron Black Panthers, with a 3rd due to take its first units very soon, within weeks, note this is first units not a entire sqaudron, full sqaudron will be stand up before the year is out

i remember there was a time when people said JF17 will never take off, today with the help of China, Pakistan is fielding a formidable frontline fighter, not only that they are making them too


Pakistan technicans and engineers installing RD-93 on SP-21 JF17


SP-23 under production at Pak Kamra

#280 Page 67 May Issue 2011 AFM

[antiterror13]

Just curiosity, would the JF-17 made by Pakistan be cheaper ?

[plawolf]

Not at the moment because they are still learning the ropes (so there is the additional costs associated with having Chinese experts on site to help out and instruct the local production staff) and also because much of the components are still made and in China and shipped over.

However, as the local staff start to come up to speed and as more and more of the plane is made in Pakistan, it could well be that when production spins up to its full rate that Pakistani made JF17s would be cheaper than China made ones because of the economies of scale savings from the large production run. This will be especially true if Pakistan one day makes the WS13 engine as well.

I am curious, does CAC still even had a fully JF17 production line any more? Are there any more CAC built JF17s due to be delivered to the PAF? If there are no more CAC made JF17s due to be delivered to the PAF, with no PLAAF order pending, and with the sheer number of projects CAC is working on, I very much doubt they would want, or even could afford to keep a JF17 line open by idle.

[asif iqbal]

only the 1st 8 aircraft were delivered from China that is it, all the rest were built by Pakistan

as far as I know China does not have a production line as such, but could quite easily make one if needed i guess

high ranking Chinese air force offical visit Kamra very routinely, when I was there in 11th January this year a bus full of Chinese officals was on tour of the Kamra facility, they shut not only the main road leading to the site but the entire area was in lock down, and no one at work that day was allowed to leave the site

there is very close co-operation between Pakistan and China on this project, Pakistan is set to make almost 100% of all JF17 parts in the coming years, we didnt just get a aircraft we got the entire production facility and the precision machines and tools that go with them, many people dont realise that in addition to training

[antiterror13]

What did you do there ? .. do you work there ?