New J-10 Thread III

[inanon]

Oh FFS, not this again. This is the kind of nonsense I expect over at the Butt-hurt aka Keypublishing forums, not here.

As others have already pointed out, CAC did get some help from Israel that probably benefitted the J10, but those would have been mostly on subsystems, most likely, the FBW and radar. But the fact is, the J10-Lavi clone theory has been so thoroughly discredited, that the only people who still cling to it are the haters and trolls who simply refuse to believe otherwise regardless of minor details like facts, logic, physics or common sense.

Now, sorry if it was an honest question because someone is knew to all this, but I think in such cases, google is your friend, and it is best to do a little basic research yourself before asking such a basic question on such a well discussed subject.

After lurking some of the other threads I was hoping to get a relatively unbiased, objective summary of the differences between the two as the threads here seemed relatively civil. Wikipedia wasn't very informative and from past observation other forums tend to be more polemical when the topic of Chinese military modernisation is even raised. If there was any grief caused I can assure you it wasn't intended.

Edit: Also thanks for the other replies. I think I have a fairly good idea now, alot of people charge that the J-10 is a Lavi clone simply because they look similar, much the same way as they would claim consumer good counterfeits are 'ripoffs'. Obviously this argument does not hold in the realm of military technology; it's like saying the AK47 was a Stg44 clone.

[no_name]

CCTV is not reliable when it comes to military representation. They mesh-mash a lot of stuff together.

[Lion]

CCTV is not reliable when it comes to military representation. They mesh-mash a lot of stuff together.

That's not true. Those documentary is PLA endorsed and even the spokesman and PLA personal has military rank. You are telling us PLA tells things that they themselves don't even sure? Then where do we got the sources from. CNN or US military?

Don't forget CCTV are state control. Everything need to be screen before broadcast.

[hmmwv]

You are telling us PLA tells things that they themselves don't even sure?

Yes, cue Maj. Gen Zhang Zhaozhong.

[lcloo]

That's not true. Those documentary is PLA endorsed and even the spokesman and PLA personal has military rank. You are telling us PLA tells things that they themselves don't even sure? Then where do we got the sources from. CNN or US military?

Don't forget CCTV are state control. Everything need to be screen before broadcast.

CCTV especially CCTV7 military news may be accurate to a certain extent but the photos and videos can be quite misleading, and the trick is they always stated " acoording to news from foreign source..... " type of disclaimer rather than official statement from PLA or Chinese government.

[Subedei]

Also, seems some commentators insist that it is a copy of the Israeli Lavi or something, any evidence to the contrary?

google chengdu+j-9, then images. the wiki entry on j-9 offers some background and there's a prominent image displayed, from pak defense, that should allow you to interpret, for yourself, whether, or not, j-10 planform design derived from organic evolution within the chinese aircraft industry of from imitation of either israeli, or other, external sources.

what the hell, here's the pic!

[jackliu]

google chengdu+j-9, then images. the wiki entry on j-9 offers some background and there's a prominent image displayed, from pak defense, that should allow you to interpret, for yourself, whether, or not, j-10 planform design derived from organic evolution within the chinese aircraft industry of from imitation of either israeli, or other, external sources.

what the hell, here's the pic!

Wow, did they actually produce a working prototype? Or is that just a model?

[Deino]

Simply a very good CG !

[Engineer]

That CGI has a dose of creativity from the author. Here is a more accurate representation -- a picture of J-9's wind tunnel model.

Tags: Chengdu; J-9; J-10; J-20; imgur; model; wind tunnel;

[jackliu]

That CGI has a dose of creativity from the author. Here is a more accurate representation -- a picture of J-9's wind tunnel model.

Tags: Chengdu; J-9; J-10; J-20; imgur; model; wind tunnel;

Those 2 are totally different planes, one have 2 vertical stabilizer while the other only have one. Also the position of the intake is completely different too. That earlier picture looks more a J-8 delta wing with canards in front with tail removed.

[lcloo]

Just pondering, did J-9 evolve into J-20 decades later? Just like YF-17 evolved into FA-18.

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[franco-russe]

I also think that the 24th division regiment has up to 36 J-10s based on the range of numbers we've seen.

I just saw a picture of 30753, which means that the known spread of 24 Div 72 Regt J-10A numbers is 30550-30753, or 24 planes. To which should be added J-10S 30851-30854, all of which produces the standard 28 for a J-10 regiment.

[plawolf]

Just pondering, did J-9 evolve into J-20 decades later? Just like YF-17 evolved into FA-18.

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CAC started off as a division of SAC which was responsible mainly in theoretical research iirc. That meant that what later became CAC was responsible for designing and testing a huge array of different aerodynamic models, and the theories and models they developed in those early years had a profound impact on the design of the J10 and then the J20.

Chinese engineers and designers have long lamented that China was never really that far off the pace in terms of theoretical research, and what was holding them back was China's manufacturing capabilities in turning those theories into reality.

The close resemblance between the J9 model and the J20 is a vindication of those views, and a testate to just how advanced Chinese theoretical aerodynamic research was even back then. Had China had the ability to make the J9 a reality and fully up to spec, I believe it would have been one of the best fighters of it's time.

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[SteelBird]

The first picture clearly show the gun on the port side of the intake. I just feel that the barrels are very short. Anybody has the specification of that gun?