New J-10 Thread III

[ludasmatyi]

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Another shot of 8.1 aerobatic team's J-10

[delft]

What is the point in investing all that time and money to train fighter pilots if they are not allowed to do their job during the only time that matters? I think the PAF should either not recruit single sons or else do away with this unusual exemption.

As for women fighter pilots, well that is just sexism, and that really should be consigned to history as soon as possible by all nations.

In the modern age, women should have the same rights and responsibilities when it comes to the defense of their homeland, especially in all volunteer cases.

If those women are willing to put their lives on the line for their country, what right does anyone else have to refuse them?

I would think it perfectly acceptable for women to participate in extremely physically demanding military roles like frontline infantry and special operations units provided they can make all the grades.

If they are as capable as their male counterparts, then there is no reason to categorically deny them places in those services or hold them back during war.

The only time I would consider holding them back as being appropriate is if the enemy was an unconventional force, or a conventional force that does not follow the rules of civilized warfare and the women would likely be subject to sexual abuse if they fell into enemy hands.

Two remarks:
1) There are many complaints about sexual abuse of women members of the US armed forces by their own colleagues. It might well be similar in the armed forces of other countries.
2) Traditionally the contribution of women to the armed forces of a country was the production of sons. Currently the loss of sons due to women being injured or dying in the service of a country's armed forces can easily be compensated by other women being more productive but this circumstance can change.

[siegecrossbow]

The rides of golden helmet pilots:

[siegecrossbow]

According to this wall-climber the J-10B looks like it is about to enter service soon (serial number???). Unfortunately the first batch will use AL-31 engines.

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[Deino]

But regarding the camouflage I would suggest this to be an older modified prototype ! IMO this is no. 03 !

Deino

[no_name]

AL-31 engine?

[Deino]

Why not ?? If I'm not mistaken and it really is no. 03 / 1033 with some panels removed and yet unpainted, it is quite logically powered by the AL-31F.

Deino

[no_name]

Just wondering about the first batch being fitted with AL-31 since they already tested ws-10 on it, so maybe the first batch were already being constructed while the test with ws-10 was underway.

[Deino]

Just wondering about the first batch being fitted with AL-31 since they already tested ws-10 on it, so maybe the first batch were already being constructed while the test with ws-10 was underway.

Why do You still think it is a "first batch" aircraft ??? It has a camouflage and some parts replaces ... IMO (just look at the image) it's '1031' the very first prototype fitted with some new parts incl. the radome ! Regrettably nothing more ....

Here should be a video I can't see

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Deino

[Dizasta1]

Looking forward to seeing the J-10B being inducted into the People's Liberation Army Air Force, as well as, Pakistan Air Force.

[Dizasta1]

By the looks of it, the serial production of the J-10B has not started as of yet. Also, there is no clarity on whether China has been able to attain a full grip on the WS-10A Taihang engine development. The word on various forums has been that China is getting to grips with mass production, logistic support and maintenance infrastructure for the WS-10A engines. With what certainty, if any, this can be assumed, is anyone's guess. However, the fact still remains that it is imperative for China to be able to establish, foster and expand it's engine development and production industry, in order to be able to expand on various other projects, such as the Heavy Military Cargo Aircraft program, Unmanned Combat Air Vehicle program, the In-Flight Refueling Aircraft and of course the Next Gen-Bomber project.

Having Chinese power-plants, powering Chinese fighter-jets, is not just some accolade to be won. Rather, this capability falls under the doctrine of necessity for any great power, aspiring to become independent and self-sustaining.

We Pakistanis, look at China with hope and admiration, and would be keen on witnessing all Chinese aircraft, powered by Chinese engines. In this context, as a current and future operator of Chinese Military Hardware (J-10B, JF-17 & WZ-10), it would come as a strategic advantage to Pakistan Military, with all aspects of the hardware, being Chinese. Single source for all components is an advantage and a single source being your primary ally, is a huge advantage, considering the times that we live in today. Western sanctions and embargoes have hurt Pakistan in the past and as the saying goes "One should learn from their past!"

[Engineer]

AL-31 engine?

It has been known for a long time that the first batch of J-10B will be powered by AL-31F.

[asif iqbal]

To be honest I find it pretty disappointing that J10B will use AL-31, I was hoping J10B would be the step out of the shadow from Russia and prove Chinas true indigenous fighter aircraft, the engine is a fundamental require for J10B

Plus the recent engines import would also suggest WS10 will not on J10B

[Engineer]

To be honest I find it pretty disappointing that J10B will use AL-31, I was hoping J10B would be the step out of the shadow from Russia and prove Chinas true indigenous fighter aircraft, the engine is a fundamental require for J10B

J-10B will eventually have WS10A, or you would not see a J-10B outfitted with WS10A otherwise.

Plus the recent engines import would also suggest WS10 will not on J10B

Not so. J-10A is still under production and will require AL-31F. Also, the old J-10A will also need replacement engines given the short lifespan of Russian engine.

[i.e.]

To be honest I find it pretty disappointing that J10B will use AL-31, I was hoping J10B would be the step out of the shadow from Russia and prove Chinas true indigenous fighter aircraft, the engine is a fundamental require for J10B

Plus the recent engines import would also suggest WS10 will not on J10B

for all intents and purposes PLA have a AL-31 production line. it is only called a overhual line (ran by airforce logisitics) just to avoid derailing WS-10 funding and pissing off AVIC. the current chairman of avic came from Li-Ming which developed WS-10 and made his name. he has some political clout. it is part of grand bargin they struck between PLA and AVIC.

Saturn has a full co-operative relation with them too.