New J-10 thread II

[mkruo]

http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/?p=2191

has anyone heard about this?

Chengdu, Dec 27 (China Defense Mashup Report) — Several eyewitnesses in Chengdu city prove that a greatly improved J-10 fighter makes its first flight from CAC (Chengdu Aircraft Corporation) internal airport in Huang Tianba (黄田坝).

One Chinese Artist’s CG Imagine Image of Improved J-10 Fighter

Some spectators say that the eyeable improvements include a DSI inlet, Forward Looking Infra Red (FLIR) Pod and Tail Wing-tip Integrated Electrical Avionics. Besides, some Internet resources claim that new J-10 has equipped with high-performance AESA radar, modified wing inner structure and stealth in-board pylons. The engine is still the Russian AL-31F, which will be replaced by FADEC AL-31FM3 for better air performance. But China’s WS-10 engine also has opportunity.

The flight lasts about 10 minutes and the test pilot is believed to be Liang Wanjun (梁万俊).

Although closing to 3.5th+ generation fighters like Typhoon and Rafael, how many new J-10 fighters will be purchansed by PLA Air Force is still one question, because CAC and SAC have entered the drastic competition for PLA’s 5th generation fighter. There always a rumar that CAC will provide prototype fighter before 2012.

Choosing New J-10 or investing future combat aircraft ? Who knows!

mkruo, I moved your post to the already existing J-10 thread.

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[kickars]

Originally Posted by tphuang

Depends, certain stuff you know right away is junk, certain stuff you keep in the back of your mind, certain stuff you treat more seriously. I would put this somewhere between back of my head and seriously.

I can say this, from the people that posted recently, it appears something dramatic happened very recently at CAC. It looks like the first flight of a plane. Now whether or not that is J-10B or J-10B with AESA radar or something, that's something I don't know exactly. But from the past, I would say there were pretty good sources that indicate J-10B had already flied. As always, wait for more news.

I also saw something on fyjs couple of days ago. But they only confirmed that J-10B test plane had a taxi run at CAC's airfield recently (didn't actualy take off).

Most importantly the guy who leaked the info says J-10B has two new features or designs similar to what they have on FC-1/JF-17. Most people on fyjs seems to think they are the new DSI intake and JF-17 style tail design. And its wing design has also got some new features which can be found on EF2000's wing deign. What's more, IRST has also been installed which is the same as the one on J-11B. Finally there's a new PESA like the one on Su-35BM.

That's all. time will tell if they are true.

[Munir]

It reminds me that respected posters here told me that JF17 was inferior to J10 and J11... So why adding those outdated cheap features on a much more potent and high tech plane? Not to make a joke but serious something that seems to be totally not logical. Is it a downgraded J10 for export market to Pakistan?

[tphuang]

Originally Posted by Londo Molari

J-10 is physically smaller/lighter than Eurofighter/Rafale, J-10 is a lot closer to F-16 in size.

So if the rumors about AESA are true, I guess you could say "F-16 Block 60" class.

you could say that, but J-10 in general is far more geared for A2A than F-16 E/F

Originally Posted by kickars

I also saw something on fyjs couple of days ago. But they only confirmed that J-10B test plane had a taxi run at CAC's airfield recently (didn't actualy take off).

Most importantly the guy who leaked the info says J-10B has two new features or designs similar to what they have on FC-1/JF-17. Most people on fyjs seems to think they are the new DSI intake and JF-17 style tail design. And its wing design has also got some new features which can be found on EF2000's wing deign. What's more, IRST has also been installed which is the same as the one on J-11B. Finally there's a new PESA like the one on Su-35BM.

That's all. time will tell if they are true.

he is not talking about JF-17 style tail design, but rather they are putting ECM package on tail like they did for JF-17. And by the way, thanks for your great work at re-awaking munir into arguing that JF-17 is amazing and China is lucky that this Pakistani assistance can be used to improve J-10, which is an overrated fighter jet hyped by Chinese fanboys.

Originally Posted by Munir

It reminds me that respected posters here told me that JF17 was inferior to J10 and J11... So why adding those outdated cheap features on a much more potent and high tech plane? Not to make a joke but serious something that seems to be totally not logical. Is it a downgraded J10 for export market to Pakistan?

Okay, JF-17 is inferior, that's a fact. I'm frankly getting tired of your delusion. We are not even sure at this point how valid these claims are. They can certainly DSI intake to J-10 if they wanted to sacrifice supersonic flight performance for reduced RCS and better subsonic flight performance. They can certainly move ECM package if they want.

[Munir]

I did not become personal and just was trying to understand why these developments are probably now under development. It reminds me of many posts where you personal posted option A and if anyone thought about option B it was wrong. Now I copied exact your conclusion and now I am delusional. Wow (not the positive version). I did pushed the right button, didn't I?

[Engineer]

I don't think J-10 is going to have a DSI. Putting a DSI on to the J-10 is nothing but some fanboys' idea, found entirely on reasoning that the current intake is not pretty. I think we all know how relevent prettiness is to performance.

[tphuang]

Originally Posted by Munir

I did not become personal and just was trying to understand why these developments are probably now under development. It reminds me of many posts where you personal posted option A and if anyone thought about option B it was wrong. Now I copied exact your conclusion and now I am delusional. Wow (not the positive version). I did pushed the right button, didn't I?

90% of your recent post is about why China needs to buy JF-17 and that J-10 is not a superior fighter. Plus, you find it hard to believe that China would have the audacity to not export its best stuff to Pakistan. And you simply continued that trend here.

this is my conclusion as earlier posted.
"I can say this, from the people that posted recently, it appears something dramatic happened very recently at CAC. It looks like the first flight of a plane. Now whether or not that is J-10B or J-10B with AESA radar or something, that's something I don't know exactly. But from the past, I would say there were pretty good sources that indicate J-10B had already flied. As always, wait for more news."
did you copy my conclusion?

[AssassinsMace]

It seems that there are flurry of reports that the upgraded J-10(B?) has flown a test flight and was seen by witnesses in Chengdu. We'll see if anyone caught some pics anytime soon. If it's true, is there any reason why it seems that new developments come out at the end of the year a lot?

[Lundblad.Jeff]

Originally Posted by tphuang

"I can say this, from the people that posted recently, it appears something dramatic happened very recently at CAC. It looks like the first flight of a plane. Now whether or not that is J-10B or J-10B with AESA radar or something, that's something I don't know exactly. But from the past, I would say there were pretty good sources that indicate J-10B had already flied. As always, wait for more news."

I think you are right. Something new has flown, but I don't think it was the J-11B. Most sources put at least 3 J-11B prototypes flying back in 2006. If the J-11B entered production in 2007 as many people are saying, then based on China's production rate of the J-11A, China probably has around 25+ J-11B's or so by now.

I don't think eyewitnesses would be able to spot the difference between an AESA J-11 and a regular J-11, so again we're back to where we started.

On another website it was reported that a new J-10 was spotted, not a J-11.

[jackbh]

What is DSI? I know is a particular kind of air intake that reduces signature, but what does DSI stand for?

What other types of aircraft uses DSI intake?

[Semi-Lobster]

Originally Posted by Lundblad.Jeff

I think you are right. Something new has flown, but I don't think it was the J-11B. Most sources put at least 3 J-11B prototypes flying back in 2006. If the J-11B entered production in 2007 as many people are saying, then based on China's production rate of the J-11A, China probably has around 25+ J-11B's or so by now.

I don't think eyewitnesses would be able to spot the difference between an AESA J-11 and a regular J-11, so again we're back to where we started.

On another website it was reported that a new J-10 was spotted, not a J-11.

Err? I thought we were talking about the J-10B, not the J-11B.

Originally Posted by jackbh

What is DSI? I know is a particular kind of air intake that reduces signature, but what does DSI stand for?

What other types of aircraft uses DSI intake?

Divertless Supersonic Intakes

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_Di...rsonic_Intakes

here is a very basic explanation because I'm really lazy

Divertless Supersonic Intakes (DSI) is an air intake that was designed for supersonic flight regime, so the plane doesn´t need to have any variable-geometry airintake, that´s why it is called DSI. In supersoniv flight regime, it is hard for an airplane to turn, especially kulbit. In order to gain airflow to the engine, most fighters uses variable-geometry air intakes, or moving air intakes that we could found in F-22, or Su-27, or MiG-29, or any other fighters. Fighter such like F-35 doesn´t need any moving parts because it uses DSI. DSI automatically gain airflow to the engine in supersonic flight regime.

[Lundblad.Jeff]

Originally Posted by Semi-Lobster

Err? I thought we were talking about the J-10B, not the J-11B.

Sorry, I misread that. Someone earlier mentioned that the new craft looked like a J-11 with modifications to the tail.

I think a J-10 with a DSI inlet it quite likely given that China has proven itself to have the technology on the JF-17.

I found a new article that seems to be saying that the J-10B made its maiden flight. Google translate isn't very good though, translation anyone?

http://military.china.com/zh_cn/crit.../15257658.html

Here is another website, also reporting that the J-10B has made its first flight.

http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/?p=2191

Not sure how reliable these are, I hope we get some real pictures soon.

[escobar]

I hope that there will be on J 10B a Link 16 systems that USAF uses

[Gollevainen]

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