New J-10 thread II

[challenge]

Originally Posted by crobato

Space isn't that limited on the J-10. I remember a Chinese language report saying that a radar the size you can fit on the F-7MF has a theoritical maximum detect range of 160km.

you better double check again, the Chinese website tend to be not reliable.
huitong claim of 120km range, Israel FAST radar design to retrofit older APG-66 claim to possess 130km range.according to israel AF personel,FAST radar possess far better air to ground mapping capability than Apg-68 V-9.
unless,there's is possibility that KLj-1473 raar may have based on israel design.

[crobato]

Even if AWG-9 radar has a big antenna, that was like decades ago, and TWT and digital signal processing technology has advanced in leaps since then.

Even in the early 1990s, APG-67 (GD-53) has a maximum detection range of 150km and that's smaller than APG-66. The late version APG-68 probably has over 200km for maximum search range.

SAR resolution has nothing to do with radar maximum search range.

[challenge]

one area,that never mention was data link.
most USAF jet are fitted with link-16 MIDS system,that could download data or image.
during the desert storm air war,iraqi jets downed by BVR exceed that iraqi jets down from dog fight.and all of air to air killed were coordinated via link-16.and in all cases,(including serb mig-29 downed in kosovo air war) most of the iraqi pilots has no idea they being attack at long range.USAF pilot do not have to open there radar,since this could alert iraqi pilots that they are being track,instead they rely on information from E-3C ,this allowed USAF pilot to conduct silent sneak interception with devasting result.
although PLAAF plane are fitted with data link,F-8 for example are fitted FN-4 (?) data link.more possible older link-11 type data link.
link-16 is 100 times (bit transfer)more faster than link-11.

[Deino]

Very nice picture from Huitong's site ... sadly the number on the tail is too small to identify the unit.

Besides that there seems to be a different antenna-fit on the back-spine (I think I remember this one on an earlier bird at the CFTE) !

Cheers, Deino

[northstar]

just a simple question, I have always wondered if the permanently positioned IFR probe causes air flow issues on the wings...after all its a significant bit of metal sticking out on one side of the aircraft.

Don't you guys think that a retractable ones would have been better.

Secondly, deino a very nice find. love the angle of the shot.

[Twix101]

Dassault Aircraft have been using fixed probe since decades and they didn't had particular problem to fit them in various aircrafts, Mirage III/5/50 series, Mirage F1, Mirage 2000 and now Rafale, and the probe is much less important than a tank or designation POD in terms of drag

[challenge]

according to USAF,overall capability of J-10 is 80% that of F-16A.

[Chaminuka]

Originally Posted by challenge

according to USAF,overall capability of J-10 is 80% that of F-16A.

I thought that was the capability of the FC-1. ???

[Londo Molari]

The J-10 claim is according to U.S.A who has zero access to J-10.
The FC-1 claim was by Pakistan, before it was redesigned.

Based on information on the internet, I would say J-10 is 90% as capable as Block 52 F-16C.
And FC-1 is in a much lighter class of aircraft, so you cant compare it to J-10 or F-16.

[PrOeLiTeZ]

well no other country as had an specific information or access to the J-10 so saying its only 80% to the F-16A is a bit of misleading statment. Why would the USAF be so shocked with alarm bells ringing with an early F-16 model? If it is based of the Lavi then it was meant to replace or challenge both the F-16 and F-18. Mid-Late.

Actually Pakistan is the only country that can make the bold statement of determining if the JF-17 or F-16 is superior to who and how comparable. Since they are currently the single only nation to have both platforms. JF-17 wasn't really mean't to challenge the F-16 as a replacement. It was a cheaper alternative to the dominating F-16 powerhouse export aircraft, delivering a cheap priced platform aircraft that can take on modern day aircraft. With multi role capabilities and low priced BVRAAM launch platform.

[AssassinsMace]

What people say and believe who can only guess doesn't really matter. Remember early on there were those in the US military that said the J-10 was equivalent to an F-18?

[PrOeLiTeZ]

true despite one being a light weight fighter and the other a mid weight fighter. also some bloggers compare the J-10 with F-22. This is the most riduclous comparison, firstly and most obvious generation is different. Era in which developed in was different, allocated budget minimal, technology available and know how limited compared to now. Allocated roles were different, J-10 was to be produces in mass as the future backbone of PLAAF to get them up to main stream all +4th generation. F-22 was designed with a different role and intention.

[challenge]

let us face the reality,when it come to high tech aviation weapon system, the uS are way ahead,both solfware and hardware.
the technology capability of J-10 more likely either 80% F-16A or something in between F-16A and c model.
but still the aircraft has a room for further improvement.

[challenge]

Do China adapted 3m2 a standard yardstick for measuring aircraft 's radar cross section?
I understand, NATO and US already adaopted 1 meter RCS as standard measurement.

[tphuang]

Originally Posted by challenge

let us face the reality,when it come to high tech aviation weapon system, the uS are way ahead,both solfware and hardware.
the technology capability of J-10 more likely either 80% F-16A or something in between F-16A and c model.
but still the aircraft has a room for further improvement.

Post your source on this. Otherwise, don't bother with this ridiculous assessment. US's best stuff are not on their F-16s, China's best stuff are on their J-10s. So, you can't use that kind of argument on this.

English sources I read generally compared J-10 from block 30 up. Personally, I think J-10 is better than any F-16 C/Ds in A2A combat