New J-10 thread II

[Infra_Man99]

Russian news isn't amateurish, it's government controlled. Russian government purposely prints carefully selected information and false information for political purposes. Of course, all governments are corrupt to various degrees, and the Russian government does make (big) mistakes.

I always thought the Russian government printed the Iranian Sukhoi deals to test America's response and to thumb its nose at America.

Yes, China displays of military products at various international air shows, but China does not intend to sell every product at every air show --- just like the United States and any other nation.

Only the future will tell if China sells J-10 to Iran. My bet is NO! China will only sell J-10 to Iran if a big change occurs in the Chinese-Iranian relationship. China mostly sells Iran military technology that is highly restricted to local use, and if the technology has range, then it is of outdated hardware. The J-10 surpasses both those standards.

[challenge]

I do recall after rumor of possible India purchasing F-16 and F-18,the russian quickly depatched there foreign minister to new delhi ,offering them better deal .

[tphuang]

not showing that much, but a cockpit of J-10 from behind

[challenge]

there's been rumor that Pakistan AF may be seeking AESA equip J-10. as to counter India AESA equip Mig-35 and future LCA.

[unknauthr]

For everyone's entertainment, I am attaching a couple of links to another pair of mainstream publications that have latched onto the "Chinese J-10s destined for Iran" story:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...-Air-Force.php
http://www.asianage.com/presentation...sian-jets.aspx

We'll probably be seeing more of this rumor for the next twelve months.

Interestingly, the following news article, however, claims that Iran's J-7 are actually flown by Iran's Revolutionary Guard, and NOT the Iranian Air Force:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...4/341bvepz.asp

Let's see - the Iranian Air Force is interested in buying MiG's and Sukhoi fighters, and the Revolutionary Guard is buying from China . . . Sounds like a turf war in the making.

[challenge]

according to intelligent analysis by TW,the "rumor " J-10 sale to iran may have been ploy by the Chinese government to stop bush from further arm sale to Tw.
For year,China furious at US arm sale to TW,yet unable to stop the deal from going thru,(while China restrain itself from pushing arms to Iran and Syria) worse,China got nothing in return for helping the US in N.Korea nuclear .
the rumor made be a warning to the US,already China refuse to cooperate with west of economic sunction against iran.

[aquilis182]

Originally Posted by challenge

why buy J-10,when Iran can get SU-27 or MIG-29.
Russia is offering used SU-27 and MIG-29 that are slight price below of brand new J-10.

The J-10 it's better in overrall performance than the Mig-29 or the SU-27... in fact The PLAAF already test the J-10s in mock aerial combat against the SU-27s and the J-10s beat them in every encounter, and if the J-10s are better than the SU-27s obviously are better than the Migh-29s too, besides I guess (not sure) than the J-10 should be cheaper cause is powered by only one engine... I guess thats enough reason for Iran to want them in the Iranian AF

[tphuang]

http://comment.news.163.com/news_jun...Q00011232.html

成空航空兵某师积极开展信息化条件下军事训练，努力锤炼部队在复杂电磁环境下的战斗本领。为了加快战斗力生 成，该师组织飞行、装备、后勤人员进行科研攻关，先后开发飞行训练辅助软件20余套，训练效益和训练质量大 幅提高。图为11月16日，该师组织大航程奔袭课目训练的情景。于雷、本报特约记者刘应华摄影 报道
歼-10四机编队，前两架携带2枚霹雳-12主动制导空空导弹，后两架携带2枚霹雳-11主动制导空空导弹，此外四架飞机还各携带2枚霹雳-8近程格斗导弹。此前军方公布的歼-10图片，往往只携带2枚霹雳-8甚至全无外挂。值得注意的是，“大航程奔袭”仍然不需加挂副油箱，说明歼-10的航程和节油性能相当了得。

From PLA Daily, basically saying that J-10 is undergoing training in complex electronic environment. In this case, 4 J-10s are shown, 2 with 2 PL-12 and 2 with 2 PL-11 + 2 PL-8. Sometimes, even in long range strike missions, you don't see external fuel tank, showing J-10's range + fuel efficiency.

[AssassinsMace]

Is this a pic of it?

[challenge]

J-10 like SU-30mK are programmed by High C computer language, according to Chinese web site early 3 months ago, PLAAF plan to switch to ADA95 language.

[unknauthr]

I don't know if anyone else has noticed it, but there seem to be a lot of Western media outlets quoting this Richard Fisher fella as an "expert" on China's military and Chinese weapons sales.

Attached is just the latest contribution to the "J-10 and FC-1 exports" hysteria:
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php...9986&C=asiapac

How did this guy get to be the media favorite as an "expert" on Chinese military affairs? Does anyone have anymore background on where this guy comes from (and why the news media keeps quoting him)?

[AssassinsMace]

Richard Fisher just tells what the alarmists want to hear so they can scare people into throwing money at the military and defense industries. I remember back in the early 90s a woman wrote a unflattering book about Japan and she was going on the book tour and being interviewed by the media since the fad was back then to bash Japan. How was she an "expert" on Japan? She was flight attendent on a major airline whose route took her to Japan. Really what you see in Fisher's articles is just a copy and paste job of what you see on forums like these. He just more diligent than some of the posters you see around any forum because he gets paid for it. I'm just wondering why he didn't do an article when all those pics of the 093 and 094 came out. He skipped or delayed it and went to the J-10s for Iran story instead. He must've seen some posters counting down his next article.

[ahho]

Well IF J-10 is also put in export and IF it won't dumb down then yes, J-10and FC-1 would put pressure on sales for other type of aircraft. IMO J-10 and FC-1 are single engine planes, BVR capable plane it is a lightweight plane, and also cheaper.

Sure Russian and USA may produce a high quality and battle tested plane but the cost of it may deter them from buying them. Unless Russia is willing to do what it did in the Cold wars or USA giving out military aid.

Just wondering, what happen to single engine fighter in Russia. It is like after the famous MiG-21 there is no more modern single engine fighter.

[kw64]

Originally Posted by aquilis182

The J-10 it's better in overrall performance than the Mig-29 or the SU-27... in fact The PLAAF already test the J-10s in mock aerial combat against the SU-27s and the J-10s beat them in every encounter, and if the J-10s are better than the SU-27s obviously are better than the Migh-29s too, besides I guess (not sure) than the J-10 should be cheaper cause is powered by only one engine... I guess thats enough reason for Iran to want them in the Iranian AF

If J-10 is superior than Su-27 and is cheaper, how come the PLAAF is resorting to upgrading its Su-27s and building J-11Bs in an extraordinary pace, while the deployment of J-10 remains slow and no significant upgrades of J-10 has been made?

[crobato]

The PLAAF has not upgraded its J-11s other than having R-77 capabitliy, which is still important. J-11B production seems like a snails pace to me. J-10 production seems right about average, with one or two regiments being deployed for every year. Whipping up units into operational capability once they recieve the new equipment is not as easy you may think,whether its PLAAF or PLAN, and that's probably the biggest bottleneck of all.