New J-10 thread II

[wlchang]

Originally Posted by crobato

I just think you are just in a witch hunt. It's like people who are preset to believe in witches or Nostradamus, nothing you can say can change their mind. Despite having no clear evidence and the presence of rational explanations otherwise.

That was a baseless accusation.

[crobato]

I have enough of people like you seeing witches and demons in every closet and claim they are somewhat rational. I have seen no rational explanation from you why do you want to bother to PS such irrelevant details. I got nutcases claiming PS on pictures that were really CCTV TV captures.

These are freaking magazine pictures for chrissakes, and some of them are even official PLA or Xinhua pic. They're not from some anon forum poster try6ing to catch attention to himself and getting big emo out of it.

[Deino]

Originally Posted by crobato

No. The missiles are outboard of the wing center. Look carefully at the wing. Where is the middle of the wing? The inner edge of the forward wing slat. Where are the missiles? Each is justly located outside of the inner edge, which puts them outward of the wing's center.

Sorry, but I have to disagree even when I agree with You that the planes itself are two and not a copy/paste of one !

Just take a look on the left wing (the one showing away from us) ... the PL-8 pylon is attaced over the PLAAF-symbol and not - as correct shown on the two J-10 on the ground with the PL-8 + PL-12 closer to the wingtip !

When I'm back home I try to show them side-by-side !

Deino

[wlchang]

Just take a look on the left wing (the one showing away from us) ... the PL-8 pylon is attaced over the PLAAF-symbol and not - as correct shown on the two J-10 on the ground with the PL-8 + PL-12 closer to the wingtip !

When I'm back home I try to show them side-by-side !

Deino

Deino, you are spot on!

[maozedong]

J-10 Vs F-16, who will win?
lets see this video click:
http://mil.tiexue.net/content_149328.html

[Deino]

Originally Posted by Deino

When I'm back home I try to show them side-by-side !

They are sadly as faked as in the second picture ! ... in comparison a picture of the real attachment !

Just a crude attempt .... but I hope it is convincing

[BLUEJACKET]

Originally Posted by maozedong

http://image2.sina.com.cn/jc/p/2007-...0108094218.jpg

J-10 Vs F-16, who will win?
lets see this video click:
http://mil.tiexue.net/content_149328.html

In real life, it will mostly depend on pilot's skill- even if one model is superior over the other. That's why the USN opened "Top Gun" school- to train pilots dogfights.

[crobato]

Originally Posted by Deino

They are sadly as faked as in the second picture ! ... in comparison a picture of the real attachment !

Just a crude attempt .... but I hope it is convincing

I have to agree with you now on this. There may have been another, and very different set of missiles right under the wing, and this alteration is used to hide the real thing. One of the PL-8s also don't have the proper lighting for the angle presented. We have seen similar attempts to mask the real missiles, most probably PL-12, as the PLAAF has been skittish displaying those until recently (declassification).

[maozedong]

Originally Posted by BLUEJACKET

In real life, it will mostly depend on pilot's skill- even if one model is superior over the other. That's why the USN opened "Top Gun" school- to train pilots dogfights.

I have no oppinion on that, the video just like the video game. most video games, ( include in China ) are US fighters, J-10 firhter in video, just more vision in these thread.

[wlchang]

Originally Posted by Deino

They are sadly as faked as in the second picture ! ... in comparison a picture of the real attachment !

Just a crude attempt .... but I hope it is convincing

Great job, Deino!

[crobato]

Nonetheless as Deino said, the two planes are still different. You have not proved that one plane is a copy of the other, and you have not proved that the picture on the magazine back cover is PS either. I still think you just want to see what you want to see.

You made us waste a lot of time and space chasing after nonexistant or nonrelevant demons.

[wlchang]

Originally Posted by crobato

Nonetheless as Deino said, the two planes are still different. You have not proved that one plane is a copy of the other, and you have not proved that the picture on the magazine back cover is PS either. I still think you just want to see what you want to see.

You made us waste a lot of time and space chasing after nonexistant or nonrelevant demons.

That was a baseless accusation.

Not a copy of each other? Just look at the angle of shot for the 2 images. They have the same angle of shot and how can this be possible if the picture is shot from a single location?! This would defy all common logic! That is just one of 7 points that I can think of, to prove that the pictures are PSed!

And I definitely believe all of my earlier arguments are correct!

[Deino]

Originally Posted by wlchang

Great job, Deino! I just hope people can see more fakeness in the pictures.

Thanks, but regarding that picture I agree with crobato as this one is from a series of pictures published by Aviation.now showing a formation of 4 J-10A in very close formation and sometimes only two of them.

So IMO this is one of them showing only two J-10 !

Deino

[bd popeye]

Yes guys another new J-10 thread!! Why?? Because with 60+ pages the other new J-10 thread is too large to navigate & research for some.

So post all your J-10 news, comments, pictures, PSed pics, information & discussion here!

I will be moving about the last 10 post to this thread shortly to give the thread some continunity

bd popeye super moderator

[panzerkom]

Why are we arguing about the authenticity of the PL-8 when we all know the J-10 can carry it?

Personally, I'm more interested about PL-8 look-alike in this picture posted by Deino. Is that a dummy round? If so, why does it look like it's got an IR seeker?