New J-10 thread II

[crobato]

fishhead, I have to agree with tphuang. The article is BS or it is outdated by at least two years. The publicity around the WS-10A and J-11B is very good indication of the two coming into service this year. In fact the CCTV clip that was interviewing the WS-10A designer showed a clip where they were discussing the engine already installed on a J-11. The clip also showed like two or three planes in the process of assembly.

Already the article is wrong on one point; there are at least 4 J-11Bs that have been identified so far; three with perchant numbers 523, 524 and 525, and a plane with standard PLAAF color scheme now assigned a testing and training regiment. There can be more of the grey ones, this plane may denote the approved version going into service and production. The Dingxin base from Google Earth has at least four grey Sues visible.

[fishhead]

I really can't tell at today. The J-11b is not in large volume deployment at least for now. And nothing shows that WS-10A is in the export ready status. So I hold my suspicious view before anything real can prove that WS-10A is in mass production.

[crobato]

Hu ... finally another setback for the WS-10 ... or old news ???

Reread the full article. The article itself is new, but the structure of the article is quite suspiciously old because the 100 engine deal for the RD-93 was signed in 2005 for that same amount. I have grave doubts that any new deal will have the same price as 2005 since the falling dollar and the Russian double digit inflation would mean higher prices. Every defense deal in Russia is being renegotiated for a higher price for one reason or another.

The journalism is highly questionable, when you reached this statement.

The contract comes about two months after Rosoboronexport agreed to sell China 100 Klimov RD-93 engines for its JF-17/FC-1 fighter a deal worth almost $270 million. It has not been confirmed whether Pakistan, which jointly developed the JF-17 and received its first two examples early this year, will receive aircraft powered by the RD-93, as Russia has stalled on approving the transfer.

Duh.

Didn't the two aircraft recieved by Pakistan have the RD-93 in the first place? Isn't it confirmed that there will be no impediment?

Two months ago there isn't any new contract of RD-93. Rather what is still currently in place was the contract signed in 2005, where most of the engines are still not delivered due to the issue of second export.

[crobato]

I really can't tell at today. The J-11b is not in large volume deployment at least for now. And nothing shows that WS-10A is in the export ready status. So I hold my suspicious view before anything real can prove that WS-10A is in mass production.

Export ready status is something else. Before it becomes export ready, it has to be proven in domestic use, and the only way to do that is to bring the engine into service no matter what. At this stage you really have to bring the engine into quantity field use as there is no skipping this stage of development.

[kca90]

To Crobato: I want to know what's your take on this matter.
Now. Why would China be in a hurry to export J-10 to pakistan? If J-10 is considered as the top of
the line fighter in China. Should not China keep them for her own use? Or is the exported J-10
inferior in package? Or Is J-11B superior to J-10?

[crobato]

Anytime you have the opportunity to make big money, why ignore it? It helps finance your future projects, and selling planes to Pakistan gets your more margin per plane than PLA, who dictates your profit margin. Also gets to enhance your reputation worldwide, so you get more profitable export business. In any case, it's not like its soon. Its supposed to be around the end of 2009.

On the new article, some more thoughts. If China buys another 100 engines, then appears committed to fulfill a 300 engine preorder, kind of an order by intent, set years ago at the start of the J-10 program. Also its about time for them to make another order, since I would expect the last batch to be exhausted soon, and they're going to need spares and so on on the existing fleet.

On the other hand, the article is teeming with journalistic mistakes, I like to wait for another article to confirm what it just said. FI has done its share of boboos on Chinese affairs to say the least.

[kca90]

Thanks Crobato.

[tphuang]

This is kind of interesting, they are already issuing a commemorative coin for J-10 and it just got unveiled.
http://english.people.com.cn/200705/...28_378649.html

The People's Bank of China said on Monday it would issue a set of commemorative coins for the country's new-generation fighter aircraft, the Jian-10 (Fighter-10), on May 29.

The issuance comprises 10,000 gold coins, with a face value of 150 yuan (19.5 U.S. dollars) each, and 20,000 silver coins, with a face value of 10 yuan each.

The coins are produced by Shenzhen Guobao Mint and will be distributed by China Gold Coin Inc.

China unveiled the Jian-10 in January this year. Its basic design and onboard equipment are believed to be comparable to those of mainstream fighter aircraft in the West.

[goldenpanda]

Nice to see these coins.

Even if they're legal tender, people will keep them for display, taking the money out of circulation. So it's profit for government.

xinhua needs to take writing lessons from Pakistan: J10 is China's most advanced indigenous fighter. It is capable of carrying out air superiority and ground attack missions against the latest western equipment.

[Deino]

????? .... 1979 ???

[adeptitus]

This is kind of interesting, they are already issuing a commemorative coin for J-10 and it just got unveiled.
http://english.people.com.cn/200705/...28_378649.html

Here's what the coins look like: ^_^
http://www.chinagoldcoin.net/english/index.htm

HK dealer:
http://www.chinacoin.com.hk/

NA dealer:
http://www.chinacoinsusa.com/


Don't buy from ebay... lots of counterfeit PRC panda coins there.

[Sven Unglaube]

That was a baseless accusation.

I have the question whether CHINA AEROSPACE do manufacture New Chinese J-10 Combat-Jets, CHINA AEROSPACE SHARES trade at Hong Kong Exchanges ?

Hong Kong Exchanges
CHINA AEROSPACE !

2. Ask the technology and lines of the J-10 equivalent well, or butcher in the comparison F-22 Raptor (F/A-22 Raptor) improves, F-35 JSF (X-35 JSF) of the USA, EF-2000 Eurofighter of the Germany, United Kingdom, Italy and Spain or the new, stronger versions of the MIG-29 and Su-27 of the Russia !

[nonpilot]

Hello all
Does anybody know besides Pakistan has China been in talks with any other country about selling J-10 fighters? Thanks

[Schumacher]

Hello all
Does anybody know besides Pakistan has China been in talks with any other country about selling J-10 fighters? Thanks

I've read 'talks' that China has had 'talks' with NK, Thailand, Venezuele to sell J-10s. But like I said, it's all just 'talks'.

[nonpilot]

Hi Schumacher
Nothing with Sudan?