New J-10 thread II

[Deino]

Originally Posted by crobato

For some reason I don't have that pic either. I thought I had all the pics. Having this on Jan 2006 means a big thing because it is a new prototype.

Plane apparently has bulge to accomodate the satlink on the spine already, by Jan 2006. Use of a different primer on different areas of the aircraft is quite interesting, as that may mean the material underneath the grey primer is not the same as the one used under the yellow primer. Yet this is in contrast to the other J-10s taken around 2006 which is still completely yellow.

Planes that are flying in this paint condition are usually prototypes. With those tanks and all, its going through a flight test with some pretty long flight times. Planes that are in primer condition in the ground may or may not be prototypes, as they may also be being carted to a seperate painting section.

Huii. ... never noticed the SAT-COM behind the canopy ! ... but could it be that this is not a completely new airframe but one of the later prototypes/pre-serials (from the 101x numbers), that was rebuilt to the latest standard as it already has that Mirage 2000 style camo.

For my opinion we already should speak of an improved J-10B for these late-production types with the new blade-antenna + GPS-COM !

Cheers, Deino

[crobato]

Could be. But the plane already has the flap on the landing gear. If it is one of the camoed J-10s, its probably one of the later ones.

Is the plane testing some kind of new paint, RAM, skin material?

To think it was a new production block of J-10, I was disappointed to see the black nose and radar with the pitots. I was hoping the new block would have a grey nose, new radar and the short pitot we saw on the JF-17 101.

Now I have my hopes on again.

[Deino]

Originally Posted by crobato

Now I have my hopes on again.

Mine too !!

[fishhead]

Hope they're not fake pictures, I have to confess I don't bother checking them thoroughly. It's very time consuming.



Try using the attachment feature when posting pictures. One of the pics was to large to post as a thumbnail.

[Deino]

Originally Posted by fishhead

Hope they're not fake pictures, I have to confess I don't bother checking them thoroughly. It's very time consuming.

But sometimes quite usefull !!!

If the third one is real on not from another aircraft I would like to see the other detail pictures !!!

Looks very much like a SAT-COM or something similar !

Cheers, Deino

[unknauthr]

I don't know if anyone posted the full article yet. The latest edition of Jane's appears to have an article that evaluates the deployment of new air-to-air and air-to-ground payloads to arm the PLAAF:
http://www.janes.com/security/intern...0514_1_n.shtml

The latest video release (intentional leak?) portrays both the J-10 and J-11B carrying a variety of air-to-ground weapons loads, confirming the intended multirole application of these aircraft.

[crobato]

The video is not an intentional leak but rather publicity video made for CFTC. However, it can be said that whatever the video may try to portray can be intentional leaks.

Fishhead, your pictures are not coming up.

[simonov]

I am sorry for the silly question what the use for the satcom on the plane?more resist for ECM?Thx

[Pointblank]

Originally Posted by simonov

I am sorry for the silly question what the use for the satcom on the plane?more resist for ECM?Thx

Longer range communications. Most HF and LF radios are limited due to the atmosphere, the curvature of the Earth, etc. It also allows more information to be shared, so to network the aircraft with each other and other sensors.

[crobato]

Quite possibly also for use with navigation using satellite positioning, aka Beidou.

[szbd]

Originally Posted by simonov

I am sorry for the silly question what the use for the satcom on the plane?more resist for ECM?Thx

When using radios for communication, you have to shift the frequency from time to time. Partly because of enemy ECM, but mainly because the condition of atomosphere changes frequently and the radios rely on the atomosphere to reflect signal. Also, the bandwidth of radio is quite narrow. These are OK for an army company but defenitely not good enough for an advanced fighter in the sky.

[Deino]

Hu ... finally another setback for the WS-10 ... or old news ???

China and Russia agree J-10 powerplant contract
By Siva Govindasamy

Rosoboronexport brokers $300 million deal for Beijing's new indigenous fighter

China has signed a contract with Russia's Rosoboronexport arms agency to buy 100 modified Salyut AL-31FN engines to power its indigenously designed and produced Chengdu J-10 fighter. The deal is worth around $300 million, according to Russian news reports, which say Beijing has also contracted Salyut to service the engines in its Sukhoi Su-27SK and Su-30MK2 fighters.

The contract comes about two months after Rosoboronexport agreed to sell China 100 Klimov RD-93 engines for its JF-17/FC-1 fighter a deal worth almost $270 million. It has not been confirmed whether Pakistan, which jointly developed the JF-17 and received its first two examples early this year, will receive aircraft powered by the RD-93, as Russia has stalled on approving the transfer.

"The [RD-93] engine is a contract between the Chinese and Russian governments. We are not a party to that contract," says Pakistan's chief of the air staff Air Chief Marshal Tanveer Mahmood. "The re-exporting of these engines to Pakistan is an issue between Pakistan and Chinese industry. They have ensured us there would be no impediment in this regard. We hope this engine issue will cease to be an issue."

Beijing is, meanwhile, developing its own engine so that it can export the J-10 and JF-17 without depending on Russia. Work on the WS-10A Taihang has been under way for almost 10 years, but has reportedly faced several technical difficulties. However, the engine programme entered its final design stage early last year, and Chinese officials hope to fly a J-10 powered by the WS-10A by year-end.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-contract.html

[fishhead]

Originally Posted by Deino

Hu ... finally another setback for the WS-10 ... or old news ???

It's not the setback, as I said some time ago, WS-10A production is simply not muture.

Somebody mentioned in Chinese website

由WS10A导致的J-11B现状

最新的沈飞消息，此型号的两架原型机正在紧张的试飞，进展还是比较顺利的，但是这些改进并未得到军方明确的 定购意向，推测可能是因为发动机还是没有用上国产的WS10A。据说沈飞要试生产，大概数量可能在8架左右 。

顺便说以下WS10A，发动机已经进入生产阶段，但是由于我国的工艺问题，使得产量太低，能满足J10的要 求就不错了，因为最终要的一次铸造成型的单晶空心叶片成品率太低，大概在5％左右（而欧洲的在15－20％ ）所以现在存在着单价过高，质量不稳定，产量过低的原因。如果真的要全面装备全军还得等待时日 。

2 J-11Bs are in flight test now. PLAAF hasn't decided to equip it. Basically the problem is WS-10A engine which can't keep up with the number required.

The bottle neck is the single-crystal hollow blade. The production yield rate is only 5%, compared with European 15%-20%.

WS-10A production at least needs another 3 years to get mutured.

[tphuang]

Originally Posted by fishhead

It's not the setback, as I said some time ago, WS-10A production is simply not muture.

Somebody mentioned in Chinese website

由WS10A导致的J-11B现状

最新的沈飞消息，此型号的两架原型机正在紧张的试飞，进展还是比较顺利的，但是这些改进并未得到军方明确的 定购意向，推测可能是因为发动机还是没有用上国产的WS10A。据说沈飞要试生产，大概数量可能在8架左右 。

顺便说以下WS10A，发动机已经进入生产阶段，但是由于我国的工艺问题，使得产量太低，能满足J10的要 求就不错了，因为最终要的一次铸造成型的单晶空心叶片成品率太低，大概在5％左右（而欧洲的在15－20％ ）所以现在存在着单价过高，质量不稳定，产量过低的原因。如果真的要全面装备全军还得等待时日 。

2 J-11Bs are in flight test now. PLAAF hasn't decided to equip it. Basically the problem is WS-10A engine which can't keep up with the number required.

The bottle neck is the single-crystal hollow blade. The production yield rate is only 5%, compared with European 15%-20%.

WS-10A production at least needs another 3 years to get mutured.

No, this is a typical rumoured bs piece on Chinese bbs.

As for WS-10A not being matured, who said it's mature? You think you are going to get an engine mature by not using it?

Until we see more on this apparent new deal, it is nothing to judge on. There is not a single Russian article on this in the newswire. And my favourite part is the part on China contacting Russia for replacement on sk and mkk, since that deal has already been signed. Makes me think more and more that the article writer just went back in time a couple of years.

[crobato]

Originally Posted by Deino

Hu ... finally another setback for the WS-10 ... or old news ???

Very old news actually. That was the contract signed in 2005. The RD-93 contract was signed in the same year two months earlier.

With double digit inflation on the Russian side and US dollar going down to record levels, a new order of 100 AL-31FN and RD-93 engines would definitely not cost the same as the old contracts.