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AssassinsMace

It's confirmed a Lockheed.

70092

Well, some of the pics you show are simple earlier proposals of US's YF-35 and some are simply MIG-1.44.

The main features of J-XX is it's parrelleled canard layout coupled with lifting body and blended very large and long strake.

As for the SAC's ones in your links, well to be honest I don't know much about SAC's failed proposals, since their proposals are failed anyway.

The only thing I know is it seems that they get a F-22 clone and a 3-wing fighter, and the Airforce is not impressed about their proposals at all.

And in your SAC folder, there are some pics of the so called 1993's concept fighter, which are the ones developed in 1980s-1990s in SAC, just served as some initial concept study for 5th generation fighter, never go beyond very early concept stage.

Deino

Thanks again for Your posts ...

So it looks similar to this one ???? ... and do You have any info about its intake-configuration ?

Deino

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Munir

Deino,

the intake will have supersonic inflow problem...

70092

Another good news, the AESA radar has been finished

This news have been reported in an news paper run by Chinese military industy:

This news says the AESA for Chinese J-XX has finished, its a X-band AESA radar, developed in 607th research insistitue in Sichuan.

The Vice-commander of China Airforce has been there to accept the radar and praise the team, he said he is very pleased by this news and he think now one of the two challenges (engine and radar) for J-XX have been overcome.

From this news the Airforce plan to not only install this AESA radar on J-XX, but also use it to upgrade their existing 3rd genertaion figthers.

Bltizo

Good news indeed if true...

Do you know what element number (how many modules) the AESA radar for the J-XX is (does the article say?)?

And is this article from CJDBY.net as well? Can anyone who's familiar with the site give us a lowdown on how reliable it actually is? (Cause no offense 70092, but some of the information you've given on the J-xx seems a bit too good to be true - espicially because the PLAAF is so secretive on their 4th gen plane. I find it a bit hard to believe they would allow PLAAF pilots and CAC engineers to give important information like that on the J-XX's engines, radar, and general shape on any website. Just see how that PLAAF general a few weeks back had to backtrack when he gave too much info on the CCTV interview.)

70092

Well, this is from a very trustful source,the news paper is run by Chinese military industry.

Actually if you can read Chinese you wont even bother to check the source to know the news is quite official since the news is written in such a style that only government officials and government employee would waste their time to write, its a very formal and long and boring and typical official format of news, if you know what I am talking about.

For instance, Nanjing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics (one the three top schools in aero-related subjects in China) 's offfical website also post this news:

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70092

Well, this is from a very trustful source,the news paper is run by Chinese military industry.

Actually if you can read Chinese you wont even bother to check the source to know the news is quite official since the news is written in such a style that only government officials would waste their time to write, its a very formal and long and boring and typical official format of news, if you know what I am talking about.

As for sources of it, Nanjing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics's offfical website also post this news:

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pla101prc

cjbdy is just another ordinary military forum. the info that 70092 gave you came from a guy who claimed to work in the 601 institute and have access the some of the stuff regarding 4th gen. that source have a lot of supporters on the forum and there are also some who are suspicious. overall most ppl say his info might not be entirely accurate but cannot be totally rejected. his proposed timeline of prototype built for next year and maiden flight is largely accepted, the dispute mainly lies in the design and capacity of the platform.

Schumacher

The news itself is from an official source so reliability is not a problem, that some kind of milestone has been reached.
The problem as always with most military news is the lack of details.

pla101prc

we are not talkin about that one article only, we are talkin about all the info that have been recently posted from cjbdy. there are suspicions that they might not be entirely true but not entirely false either.

challenge

August 17, 2007: China is touting the advanced electronics in their new J10A fighter. The J10A is using an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar. AESA systems consist of thousands of tiny radars that make it possible to track many different targets simultaneously. China claims the J10A radar can track ten targets at once, and attack four of them simultaneously (with long range missiles). China has revealed other military AESA radars recently, indicating years of intense research and development in this area.



The J10 is also Chinese made. It looks something like the American F-16, and weighs about the same (19 tons). Like the F-16, and unlike the Su-27, the J10 has only one engine. Originally, the J10 used a Russian AL-31FN engine, but China has been working for a decade to manufacture their own version of this, the WS10A.



It's no accident that the J10 resembles the F-16, because Israel apparently sold them technology for the Israeli Lavi jet fighter. Israel abandoned the Lavi project, because of the high cost and availability of cheaper alternatives (buying F-16s and F-15s from the United States.) But the Lavi was meant to be a super F-16, and incorporated a lot of design ideas from the F-16 (which the Israelis were very familiar with, as they used them, and had developed new components for them.) China has about a dozen J10As in service, and will probably increase production once their WS10A engine is operational (which may be in a year or two.) China's extensive espionage efforts in the U.S. has long sought jet engine and AESA technology.

the first report of China testing AESa was back in 2007 ("J-10 deployed superioir electronic"),it is possible during the flight test,the telementry data was intercepted by US orbiting SIGINT satelite.
during the cold war US deployed dozen of SIGINT and COMINT satelite ,not to mention air, (such EC-135)- land and sea based SIGINT station to monitor ,the russian ballistic missile test and weapon testing.

Bltizo

@Challenge

Dude, how does that relate to what we were talking about (or the J-xx at all?)?

RedMercury

Looks pretty authentic. After years of speculation, now we know it is done and ready. Ganbei!
I wonder if it will be cheap enough to retrofit all the J-10 and J-11s.

pla101prc

the other article says it can only track 10 targets...that's pretty pathetic for an AESA...ah well i guess if you have 200 of em it wouldnt matter as much.