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lilzz

I thinking borrow a page from the NAvy and install the CIWS, close in battle system. On each key military site erect a tall structure and at least put one CIWS system, a phallanx gun guided by IR and radar.

bomber ultimately have to drop the bomb, but when the bomb approaching the building and site, the CIWS would turn on and blast those falling metal bombs to pieces before they could land much like the close in defense utilized in the NAVY ship.

RedMercury

And if the B-2 drops a swarm of SDB?

lilzz

It just take a bullet to ruin the bomb, each phallanx like guns can fire 3000+ rounds per min. How many SDB bombs you are dropping on a given site?
For an important site, they can install multiple CIWS stations.

Once you drop your first bomb, AWACS /w anti-stealth radar and fighter /w long range AAM would go up and prosecute the snail-like B-2s.

planeman

I don't think this renders you immune to incoming weapons, especially not from stealth aircraft, but it is the way forward for point defence. But China doesn't rally need point defence - who's about top attack China????

The US C-RAM has proved relatively effective in Iraq against sporadic mortar fire - the impressive bit is sustained readiness IMO.
C-RAM


The Oerlikon SkyShield is also fully automated and has anti-missile A-HEAD ammo:



And lastly but not least, China's very own LD2000

balance

[QUOTE=planeman;79659]I don't think this renders you immune to incoming weapons, especially not from stealth aircraft, but it is the way forward for point defence. But China doesn't rally need point defence - who's about top attack China????
My question is:
1. what makes it not immune especially with regard to stealth? Is the bomb stealthy? The plane is stealthy but the bombs are not, nor are the air to ground missiles.

2. Why doesn't China need a point-defense? Stealth bombers and fighters are still a concern for China air-defense strategy. Point-defense will be a cheaper and effective alternative to expensive SAM?

3. This question is to everybody:
a. How do you counter stealth cruise missiles with CIWS or point-defense weapon?
b. How effective will CIWS against the incoming anti-radiation missile directed to a radar or SAM site?

Thank you Planeman and everybody.

Pointblank

I wonder how you are going to defend against 80 Mk82 bombs... or substitute the bombs for cluster munitions, and you got a real doozy.

lilzz

80 MK32 bombs, like I say before, Phallanx 3000+ per min, it will rip them aprt in no time.

as for cruise missile or anti-radiation missile, when it's approaching its target, the CIWS 's IR detector will spot and destroy it.

IDonT

At 3,000+ rounds a minute, you have less than 30 seconds worth of sustained fire before your barrels melt. SO you may destroy 2 (highly doubtful). What are you going to do with the other 78 bombs.

RedMercury

Let's do a ballpark estimate shall we? Let's say, optimistically that a CIWS takes 1 sec to eliminate 1 target within its range, and it shoots to 3km. So 80 targets need to be eliminated within 3000 meters. So 3000/80 secs is about 37 m/s or 135 kph. So if the bombs were traveling faster than that, at least one would get through.

It is not efficient to attack munitions; far more efficient to attack platforms.

lilzz

LoL, it doesn't work that, You don't lock in and kill one bomb at one time. It's more like thousands of bullets attacking that whole group of bombs.

IDonT

You are shooting at a bomb not a missile. There is no fuel tank you can rupture or any other volatile. If 2000 lbs bomb's timer can withstand a shock of 20 meters penetration of steel reinforce concrete before exploding, those bullets will have a hard time exploding those bombs.

Secondly, you are assuming that the B-2 will fire all its weapons at one go.

Thirdly, a shock of a 2000 lbs bomb explosion, along with the shrapnel will destroy your CIWS even at 3,000 meters.

Pointblank

Exactly; that has been the manta of the US military; focus on finding and killing the platforms, so you don't have to worry about the munitions.

juli.mafia

why not use both point defence (fallanx) and modern S.A.M. China is growing to a world superpower.It's G.D.P. is expected to surpass the U.S. G.D.P. in about 2030 (you have already surpassed Germany's,which uses both systems in air defence)

Troika

Check out how many round the Phalanx actually carries. Work out the targeting ability of the fire control system. Consider how fast you'd have ot move the damned thing to fire at all different targets.

A modern assault rifle have cyclic rate over 600 rounds per minute, doesn't mean you CAN fire 600 rounds at 20 men coming at you 20 at a time.

Quickie

Opps, mistyping the zeros?