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planeman

Guys,

Does China need a programme akin to the JSF for a standard air-force/navy 5th generation medium fighter/strike platform to complement the J-14?

Even with the JH-17 and J-10 China still has a massive fleet of increasingly obsolete J-7s and Q-5s still in service.

Maybe supped up versions of the JH-17 and J-10? Or something borrow China's no-doubt years of stealth/modern materials research leveraging work we can assume has taken place for the larger and presumably more expensive J-14?


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Totoro

If JXX/J14 does end up being a fairly stealthy, proper 5th generation plane, similar in size and mission to f22 or pakfa, it does seem logical and very likely to complement it with a smaller, one engined plane. I'd say the need is definitely there.

In effect, that plane should replace j10s, though realistically, it is more likely to serve alongside it for a decade or two...

Q5 doesn't need a proper replacement, meaning no dedicated attack plane. Even today Q5 fleet is quickly diminishing, it actually seems as if new J10s are replacing Q5s rather than J7s in numbers, if not in squadrons.

Should the new plane be something like JSF? Sure, to an extent. I believe the j10 replacement should be something only slightly heavier and bigger than j10 intself, and definitely smaller and lighter than f35. There'd probably be no STOVL version, though i'd say its quite likely there'd be a naval version developed, with bigger wing etc.

The image below depicts a plane which used j10s features as a starting point. Naturally, it'd really be a completely new plane. It does have to be said that the image below was made perfectly to scale with existing j10. Length is the same, though the plane's body is taller and wider. With larger engine, larger wing, internal weapons carriage, etc, etc, its bound to be heavier, easely two tons heavier, in my opinion.

While it would probably be of lowered RCS, i went with more conventional layout and didn't sacrifice everything to low RCS. Not because it's not worth it (i do believe it is) but because the tech and manufacturing just may not be quite there within next ten years. Still, sub 1 m squared RCS should be attainable...

Since it's smaller than f35, internal weapons capacity is smaller. Four amraams or four 500 kg bombs. Weapon bays would just be too shallow for anything larger, though some square shaped, jsow like missile should be able to fit inside, two of them actually, even if they weighed 1000 kg. Still, current pl12's fins are just too large for this weapons bay. It was made to fit amraam sized missile, not anything bigger than that. In addition to that, internal fuel hold is also bound to be smaller than f35, with fuel fraction probably not going over 25%.

Heavier weapons would hopefully be carried by JH7's replacement, or perhaps j14 would be designed as a multirole plane and not just air superiority one like f22.

Planeman, your design looks quite sleek but, like you said in your post, it is clearly a q5 and j7 replacement. It seems to be tailored for attack role as much as it is made for fighter role. Why the choice of forward swept wings? Because of lower and transonic speeds mostly used in ground attack missions?

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TerraN_EmpirE

This is some thing I have been thinking about for a little while.
although I side Differently into the Argument. If a new Fighter Were created I feel that STOVL Should be one of the Primary Goals Although a Conventional Take off should also be done. The Fight would sit under the J10 or Equal too as I doubt any one is ready for the Costs of a F22 killer, but a Eurofighter killer might be more reasonable. as with every Modern Aircraft it would Logically include a reduced RCS. the Question Of super maneuverability is of interest. Any fighter Has To include Multi role capabilities. Especially if it's targeted too Counter the JSF.
the Projects Goals should Include Two main Variants A STOVL Variant for naval Support and a Conventional Take off for conventional Forces; and From there Export versions. the Over all Airframe need not include internal missile bays or Reverse wings although some form of Thrust vectoring is a must. the Jones must be included. Reduced RCS, Advanced Fly by wire, AESA Radar, HOSATs, Super Cruise, Electro optics, HUD, HMD, and the Like.

A VTOL Version will of course Sacrifice arms for weight meaning a Ctol will carry more weapons, say 9 hard point too 7 another thing too think about is the choice of Gun Internal or External Light or Heavy Inclusion of ECM kit and counter ECM electronics?

But over all I think the Big thing is Price

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http://www.wforum.com/specials/uploa...9206_67585.jpg
since you already got TVC,why need forward canard?
second,former canard is consider "unstealthy".