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JH-7/JH-7A/JH-7B Thread

This is a discussion on JH-7/JH-7A/JH-7B Thread within the Air Force forums, part of the China Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by challenge according to kanwa ,Shenyang aircraft using her experience in assemblying SU-27/J-11B to developing new gen. of ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by challenge View Post
    according to kanwa ,Shenyang aircraft using her experience in assemblying SU-27/J-11B to developing new gen. of fighter aircraft based on Su-27.
    photograph published in early 2006 show side by side fghter bomber resemble Su-34.according to Kanwa, China has access to SU-34 aircraft.
    the other solution was Chengdu,using the same J-10 design to sound out twin engine version.the engine still murky,some claim is WS-13,other WS-10.
    both aircraft likely to replace JH-7 and J-8-3.
    I doubt that it would replace the JH-7 as it is after all a pretty new aircraft to the PLAAF with modern equipments and a decent performance. I doubt that the expensive J-10 would replace the cheaper JH-7 role as it is to costly in sending in an J-10 to do a JH-7 job. While the JH-7 could do fine in. Replacing J-8 maybe

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    I think we should improve its radar, make it has a longer search rang and bebber tracking ability. Because it is an export plane, so we want to make it look good thus grant us more customers later in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shulin Jiang View Post
    I think we should improve its radar, make it has a longer search rang and bebber tracking ability. Because it is an export plane, so we want to make it look good thus grant us more customers later in the future.
    Make it look good? What are you trying to refer too? Customers don't look for the appearance of an aircraft they look at its specifications, unit cost, ability and performance. Are you sure that the JH-7 was build for export? I dont think so. The JH-7 was built to replace the Q-5 and H-5. The JH-7 was designed originaly for the PLAAF and PLANAF as a low-level, deep-penetration missions in all weather, day/night conditions with extensive electronic countermeasures (ECM) and terrain following abilities. Later the PLAAF had given up on the JH-7 while the PLANAF kept it going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chengdu J-10 View Post
    Make it look good? What are you trying to refer too? Customers don't look for the appearance of an aircraft they look at its specifications, unit cost, ability and performance. Are you sure that the JH-7 was build for export? I dont think so. The JH-7 was built to replace the Q-5 and H-5. The JH-7 was designed originaly for the PLAAF and PLANAF as a low-level, deep-penetration missions in all weather, day/night conditions with extensive electronic countermeasures (ECM) and terrain following abilities. Later the PLAAF had given up on the JH-7 while the PLANAF kept it going.
    Actually, they have an export version called FBC-1, it just hasn't had any export orders yet. The poor countries probably find JH-7 too much of luxury. The richer countries don't find it fitting their requirements.

    Anyhow, some rumours on JH-7A
    " 飞豹机载雷达发现兰州黄河铁桥的距离超过三百八十公里,发现驱逐舰大小的海上目标的距离大于三百公里。这是 题目:歼击轰炸机设计中若干问题的思考报告中说到的。

    报告人:唐长红
    中国航空一集团第一飞机设计研究院总师

    时间:2004年7月11日上午9:00-11:00

    地点:逸夫馆报告厅

    主办单位:航空科学与工程学院

    报告还提到飞豹服役以来在各种任务中共发射发舰导弹四十三枚,命中四十二枚。
    这并不是秘密报告。"
    basically saying that according to a AVIC I's developer, that JH-7 series has fired 43 anti-ship missiles since joining services and 42 has hit the target.
    Also, JH-7's radar can detect bridge on Yellow River from 380 km away and find destroyer sized target from over 300 km away.

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    The MiG-21/J-7 is mostly a point-defense fighter with very limited A2G capability. Technically it can be classified as a defensive weapon, since it doesn't have the range and payload for long-range strike missions anyway.

    The JH-7 equipped with LGB's and AShM's, on the other hand, would definately qualify as an offensive weapon. Before you sell it, you have to ask yourself "is this guy going to use it to bomb his neighbor's dam/bridge/etc in pre-emptive attack?"

    For example if the aircraft is exported to Sri Lanka, we might see on CNN video recording from Sri Lankan JH-7 dropping Chinese-made LGB's on Tamil Tiger positions, complete with IR vision, cross hair, little guys running on the ground, and a big bang and flash. Or worse, the aircraft is exported to Burma, and they used to bomb Thailand.

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    lol very funny anyway at least we know that it is a useful weapon. How about selling it to Pakistan to bomb the Talibans !!!

    Anyway Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all of You.

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    this is something quite interesting actually.
    This is from PLA newspaper, talking about a new plane replacing certain south sea aviation regiment.
    南航某团新型战机改装周期缩短近三分之二
    in a south sea fleet's air base, 10+ new plane comes in. landed after a 1000km+ journey. This new plane has started replacement since May. This regiment has finished breaking down into different du, technology drill, naval low altitude, night low altitude maneuver, Air launched ASM attack, low range strike and such courses. The time for completing the change of plane is 2/3 of usual time, very quickly achieved combat capability.
    本报讯 记者司彦文、通讯员王世均报道:隆冬时节,南海舰队航空兵某机场,10多架新型战机相继呼啸升空,一路飞越 数个空域,成功降落在1000公里之外的某陌生机场。自今年5月进入新机种改装以来,南航某团打破常规,科 学组训,至今已完成多机编队、海上超低空、夜间低空机动、空舰导弹攻击、大航程奔袭等课目,改装周期与以往 相比缩短近三分之二,又好又快地形成作战能力。
    normally, finishing a regiment change takes over 10 month. In order to speed this old, South Sea aviation planned every exercises and lessons. They used the fact that there are a lot of more experience pilots in this regiment to speed up the training process. The number of flying days per week increased from 3 to 4. Used improved hanger to reduce the preparation time? improved the number of flights and training difficulties. In training, they stressed penetration in low altitude, night time and weapon usage, reduced repeating useless flying maneuvers, improved training efficiency.
    以往完成新机种改装需要10多个月,为加速新机种战斗力生成,南航某团周密筹划每个训练环节,向科学组训要 效率。他们根据改装机组老飞行员多、技术成熟的特点,大胆采取分批次、滚动式组训方式,加快飞行进度,将每 周3个飞行日增加为4个;通过改进机场保障模式,缩短飞机“占场”准备时间,增加飞行批次和训练强度。在训 练内容上,他们突出低空、夜间和武器使用,并坚持“以高保低”,减少重复和无效飞行,提高训练 效率。
    This plane provides high level automation and information, navigation and handle also are very advanced,....
    针对新型战机信息化、自动化程度高,导航、操纵性能更加先进等特点,他们果断降低机场开放条件,让飞行员放 开胆子“穿云破雾”。过去夜间着陆,先要依靠探照灯,再用机场灯、机灯,最后是标志灯,如今直接就飞“标志 灯着陆”,有效提高了飞行效率。

    ( 来源:解放军报第1版 发布时间: 2006-12-24 06:41 )


    Anyhow, apparently, this is the 27th regiment in South Sea fleet aviation according to the poster.
    Never mind: checked the orbat on planaf and found out this is the one south sea aviation regiment that got equipped with JH-7A. I got excited for nothing.

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    this pic is very intresting, it shows so many JH-7 planes are training to attack the land defence base,I think this is against training between PLAAF and PLA land airforce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maozedong View Post
    http://image2.sina.com.cn/jc/p/2007-...0213081449.jpg

    this pic is very intresting, it shows so many JH-7 planes are training to attack the land defence base,I think this is against training between PLAAF and PLA land airforce.
    Those look like flankers to me. Also note that Type-90 isn't AHEAD capable, or the wires are too small to see...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedMercury View Post
    Those look like flankers to me. Also note that Type-90 isn't AHEAD capable, or the wires are too small to see...
    this pic is attchment as military news report in chinese internet today, it says JH-7 in training to attack airdefence base.
    the planes are too small, hard to find out they are flankers or JH-7,but I rather think they are JH-7, I think the head portion of the planes should be larger if they are flankers.
    http://jczs.news.sina.com.cn/p/2007-...814431279.html

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    these are some of the pictures of JH-7A from the 28th division.
    The title for these pictures where they got posted was "PLAAF's main attacker, new JH-7A coming out"



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    Oh that is what I saw. Thanks for the pics. A week ago I saw one of these planes JH-7A. Flying above me. It was really cool and exciting. It was going really slow and you couldn't tell that it was coming until it was right above you. Also another cool thing is that it was hard to find it in the sky "no smoke trail". It made maybe 10 passes flying really low.

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    apparently, this is an article out of Feb 23rd of PLA daily
    中国战机对海攻击演练  本报讯记者司彦文、通讯员王世均报道:在万米海空翻转腾跃的歼击机,突然俯冲至距 海面百米以下高度进行远距离掠海飞行。这是记者日前在南航某歼击机团海训场目睹的精彩一幕。
      刚飞完一个高难课目的特级飞行员、团长郭利民,向记者描绘海上超低空飞行的情景:飞机最低时距海面仅3 0米,感觉几乎就要碰到渔船的桅杆。针对未来海战场中机群远程突击易被敌雷达发现的实际,这个团突出复 杂电磁环境下隐身训练,采取先单机后双机、先低空后超低空、先近海后远海等组训方法,在熟练掌握超低空 飞行技术基础上,再研练突防战术,使歼击机编队逐步形成超低空、长时间、远距离突防能力。
      今年开训后,该团强化超低空飞行训练,与雷达部队开展对抗演练,利用气候多变、雨雾弥漫的陌生空域进行 低气象飞行,组织紧急转场和最大航程、最大作战半径飞行,提高部队远程跨区机动作战能力。
    basically, saying that China has long distance low altitude penetration capability. It's talking about JH-7A in the SSF I think. Saying that it flies at 30 m above sea level and is hard to detect by opposing radar. Just talk about idfferent tactics used against heavy ECM environment, weather change, bad visibility, maximum combat radius missions and such.

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    I know this isn't the post to insert this comment in but meh. As the previous post stated that it flies underneath enemy radar, is it stipulating it flying its on radar of a penetration level of 30m or typical neigbouring radars of 30m. Very interesting detail to spot out though. I know is not invisble but its hard to be tracked. Im getting the impression that it used is radar search level penetration for a comparison of enemy radar level of penetration in which the JH-7A achieved. Logical and Factual information would be good for suggestion and comments.

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    Of course flying low doesn't make a plane invisible. What it does is reduce the effective range of radars trying to see it and adds more ground clutter for the radars to deal with.

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