JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[SteelBird]

JF-17 Finally arrived in Pakistan. Can someone confirm about the current and future status of the RD-93? Will it have any problem for delivery to Pakistan and other potential international market?

[pngwerume]

Looking more & more like Zimbabwe DID order 12 FC-1s.

[IDonT]

JF-17 Finally arrived in Pakistan. Can someone confirm about the current and future status of the RD-93? Will it have any problem for delivery to Pakistan and other potential international market?

That's the 20 million dollar question. The 2 that arrive are the prototypes for PAF assessment. Its not yet in service. Russia does not want this aircraft to compete with its Migs and Sukhoi's in the low end fighter market. India also has a multi-billion dollar leverage on them.

[Kilo636]

That's the 20 million dollar question. The 2 that arrive are the prototypes for PAF assessment. Its not yet in service. Russia does not want this aircraft to compete with its Migs and Sukhoi's in the low end fighter market. India also has a multi-billion dollar leverage on them.

If you don't know just say you don't know! Don't try to act smart. The 2 arrived are not prototypes. They are production serial number 01 and 02..

Everything about JF-17 is according to schedule. total 8 of operational JF-17 will deliever to PAF by end of 2007. 2 of them will be flying tomorrow. China and Pakistan have reassure ' RD-93 engines supply is NOT A PROBLEM !'

So far what Pakistan and China have promise on JF-17 has all delivered. I have 100 percent faith on their words rather than yr illusion. The only delay of the whole process of JF-17 so far is the 04 prototype schedule which is due to introduction of DSI and LERX.... They are not like Indian LCA which has masssive number of times of delay (Just using an exmaple and not trying to pinpoint or flame anything) Other than that Pakistan and CHina don't anyhow bullshit.

I still remember an incident vividly in 2003 Zuhai airshow when a mockup model of 1:1 scale model of J-11B fitted with domestic weapon loaded. The Shenyang personnel claim a J-11B is on the way and China will not import any more engines and SU-27 kit. Kommersant immediately release a news regarding China J-11B that a fully domestic J-11B is impossible and Russian personnel is very skceptical of Chinese able to master everything of their Su-27 and even fitted with Chinese weapon. They claim that is a matter of time Chinese will switch back to importing Su-27 kit to complete PLAAF Su-27 series fighter...

In the end ,who has the last laugh? Russia or China? I think you all know the answer.
So I rather trust a Chinese words than Russian one....

[IDonT]

If you don't know just say you don't know! Don't try to act smart. The 2 arrived are not prototypes. They are production serial number 01 and 02..

Everything about JF-17 is according to schedule. total 8 of operational JF-17 will deliever to PAF by end of 2007. 2 of them will be flying tomorrow. China and Pakistan have reassure ' RD-93 engines supply is NOT A PROBLEM !'

So far what Pakistan and China have promise on JF-17 has all delivered. I have 100 percent faith on their words rather than yr illusion. The only delay of the whole process of JF-17 so far is the 04 prototype schedule which is due to introduction of DSI and LERX.... They are not like Indian LCA which has masssive number of times of delay (Just using an exmaple and not trying to pinpoint or flame anything) Other than that Pakistan and CHina don't anyhow bullshit.

I still remember an incident vividly in 2003 Zuhai airshow when a mockup model of 1:1 scale model of J-11B fitted with domestic weapon loaded. The Shenyang personnel claim a J-11B is on the way and China will not import any more engines and SU-27 kit. Kommersant immediately release a news regarding China J-11B that a fully domestic J-11B is impossible and Russian personnel is very skceptical of Chinese able to master everything of their Su-27 and even fitted with Chinese weapon. They claim that is a matter of time Chinese will switch back to importing Su-27 kit to complete PLAAF Su-27 series fighter...

In the end ,who has the last laugh? Russia or China? I think you all know the answer.
So I rather trust a Chinese words than Russian one....

There are 4 prototypes with 3 flying and 1 grounded for stress test. That is standard. The two that are in PAkistan are half of the entire JF-17 in existance. They are prototype 3 and 4.

http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/fighter/fc1.asp

The FC-1/JF-17 is powered by one Russian-made RD-93 turbofan rated 49.4kN dry or 81.4kN with afterburning. China has reportedly imported five RD-93s from Russia to power the prototypes, but agreement of further purchase and re-export of the engine in together with the fighter aircraft has yet been reached. China may seek to power the aircraft with an indigenously-developed powerplant.

Unless the WS-10 engine is fitted, the JF-17 production is at the mercy of Russian foreing policy. Russia has no problem of exporting its engines to China, they power the J-10. It is the re-exporting its engine to a third party (Pakistan or other) that they have a problem with.

The JF-17 is not yet operational on any frontline squadron. The ones in Pakistan are for the March 23 parade and test.

[Kilo636]

There are 4 prototypes with 3 flying and 1 grounded for stress test. That is standard. The two that are in PAkistan are half of the entire JF-17 in existance. They are prototype 3 and 4.

http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/fighter/fc1.asp

The FC-1/JF-17 is powered by one Russian-made RD-93 turbofan rated 49.4kN dry or 81.4kN with afterburning. China has reportedly imported five RD-93s from Russia to power the prototypes, but agreement of further purchase and re-export of the engine in together with the fighter aircraft has yet been reached. China may seek to power the aircraft with an indigenously-developed powerplant.

Unless the WS-10 engine is fitted, the JF-17 production is at the mercy of Russian foreing policy. Russia has no problem of exporting its engines to China, they power the J-10. It is the re-exporting its engine to a third party (Pakistan or other) that they have a problem with.

The JF-17 is not yet operational on any frontline squadron. The ones in Pakistan are for the March 23 parade and test.

Maybe you haven heard WS-13( Aka RE of RD-93 )? Go to AVIC website,they have mention repeatly of developing WS-13... As Pakistan,China and I say "Engines is not an issue". You can still live in yr illusion and hoping JF-17 will not make it.

[IDonT]

Maybe you haven heard WS-13( Aka RE of RD-93 )? Go to AVIC website,they have mention repeatly of developing WS-13... As Pakistan,China and I say "Engines is not an issue". You can still live in yr illusion and hoping JF-17 will not make it.

Why would I have something against the JF-17? Its a good low cost aircraft. It just that its development is contigent upon Russian foreign policy. This is a similar problem with multi-national weapons development. You can't satisfy every body. Look at the Horizon Frigate and Eurofighter, at least one nation dropped out. With the J-10, do you still think the PLAAF wants this aircraft? They might be forced to buy it for political reasons. Those just highlights the problems with joint developments. The JF-17 has those problems, and is further complicated by the fact that it uses Russian engines. Russian Engines are contingent upon Russian foreign policy.

You need to calm down.

[eecsmaster]

actually there is very strong speculation that the two in Pakistan are not Pt4 and 6, but new builts with a new set of avionics.

BTW, prototype 3 should be a ground static test airframe.

[Kilo636]

Why would I have something against the JF-17? Its a good low cost aircraft. It just that its development is contigent upon Russian foreign policy. You need to calm down.

I am very calm and stop using such tatic to try to claim you are more rational by claiming I am provoked and hot(in what way,am I hot?)! I seen too many of such low tricks.

I am providing facts and words from AVIC side and Chief of Air Force of Pakistan and President of Pakistan states that ' Engine is not an issue!' Don't tell me those persons words don't carry any weight? From new and events evolve ,it clearly fits what they mention and everything is in schedule.. AVIC stated very clearly the expected schedule and ongoing events,all materialise and no delay. It clearly indicate everything is going well!

By the way,remember to enjoy the video clip of tomorrow fly over of JF-17

[bd popeye]

Kilo636 you need to discuss this matter without getting so emotional. Calm down.

bd popeye super moderator

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[crazyinsane105]

That's the 20 million dollar question. The 2 that arrive are the prototypes for PAF assessment. Its not yet in service. Russia does not want this aircraft to compete with its Migs and Sukhoi's in the low end fighter market. India also has a multi-billion dollar leverage on them.

You sure about that? I've been hearing otherwise that these aren't prototype aircraft and that the PAF will get around eight more sometime later.

[maglomanic]

You sure about that? I've been hearing otherwise that these aren't prototype aircraft and that the PAF will get around eight more sometime later.

Both are production machines as confirmed by Pshamim and others. Other machines will be delivered by the end of april or around that time.

P.S: That last picture is the best i have seen. I wish i could get a better resolution bitmap.

[scorpioking]

Sorry I can't quote the oringinal source, but some "insiders" said that those 2 are part of mass production, more will be delivered to Pakistan, within this year, the total number should be around 20.
BTW, saying engines are problem has been a joke in China defence forum

[tphuang]

Sorry I can't quote the oringinal source, but some "insiders" said that those 2 are part of mass production, more will be delivered to Pakistan, within this year, the total number should be around 20.
BTW, saying engines are problem has been a joke in China defence forum

hmm, while I do believe the engine issue is not going to be a problem, there is no reason for some of you to use the tone you are using. As for around 20 delivered this year, I think you need to check your sources, because Musharraff himself said 8 JF-17s this year. On top of that, while some engines were delivered last year, the engines for this year have not been delivered. By breaking the terms of contract, India could pressure Russia into not delivering any engines.