J-20... The New Generation Fighter III

Originally Posted by AssassinsMace

Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan can't do anything without the US's help. They cannot make a stealth fighter without the US. That's why they're not a threat because the US can easily withhold parts they need or have mechanisms to punish. Let's just remember back during the 1980s, Japan, a democracy and ally of the US, was seen as a greater threat than the Soviet Union. "Friendly" has nothing to do with mutual values. You want to compare Japan and China? Japan was far more villified by Americans than China to date so far.

What?!? I have to respectfully disagree with you there. Japan perhaps was viewed as an economic threat but certainly not a military threat. While the US had thousands of warheads dialed to the former USSR in the 1980's and even now, I doubt they had many if any at all pointed at Tokyo etc...

Yes, it is true. You don't remember all the books about Japan taking over the world fiction and non-fiction? There was a lot of paranoia of Japan especially in the 80s. Vincent Chin was beaten to death because two Detroit autoworkers who thought he was Japanese. A Japanese tourist in New Orleans looking for directions was shot and killed when he walked up to a house. It's irrelevant if Japan was actually a military threat. China doesn't have the capability to invade the US yet people think China can invade. There was a lot of fear of Japan, an ally of the US. And like I said politicians then proclaimed Japan more dangerous than the Sovet Union.

A couple of examples of violence being perpetrated on Japanese (of assumed Japanese) cannot be used as the entire country and government being anti Japan. Those examples you gave has to do with racism and individual paranoia and they will always be there because racist people will always exist. I thought we were talking more in a corporate sense and not individual feelings.
With that being said I do agree that Asians in America are generally viewed with suspicion and distrust and always look upon as 'foreigners' even if their families have been here for generations. .

You don't hear about violence due to what China is doing. Do you live in the US? If so, then you must've been really young during the 80s or not even born yet. The most ugliest fearful comments were made about the Japanese during that time. China has not even gotten close to that fear in Americans yet and China is suppose to be a real threat unlike Japan.

Originally Posted by AssassinsMace

Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan can't do anything without the US's help. They cannot make a stealth fighter without the US. That's why they're not a threat because the US can easily withhold parts they need or have mechanisms to punish. Let's just remember back during the 1980s, Japan, a democracy and ally of the US, was seen as a greater threat than the Soviet Union. "Friendly" has nothing to do with mutual values. You want to compare Japan and China? Japan was far more villified by Americans than China to date so far.

Japan pretty much can design jets by themselves,


These two jets are completly indigenous designs even the P-X has japanese designed engine



About fighters the new japanese stealth fighter is already being built and is also an indegeously design

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Originally Posted by AssassinsMace

You don't hear about violence due to what China is doing. Do you live in the US? If so, then you must've been really young during the 80s or not even born yet. The most ugliest fearful comments were made about the Japanese during that time. China has not even gotten close to that fear in Americans yet and China is suppose to be a real threat unlike Japan.

here is the link to a picture of the japanese fighter being built

http://www.hangkongnet.com/uploadfil...9070410864.jpg
your idea is wrong, in Asia there is also descrimination, some asians are also racist, not all of course, but what some few individuals do can not be considered state policy.
By the way most Russians are blond, and but still Russians some times are portraited as evil by some western people.

China`s J-20 is a threat simply because it can potentially down F-15s and China has policies that sometimes are against western interests, and the same is Russia

Then why do they want F-22s? Their fighter imports outnumber domestic by a long mile. So self-sufficient that they need to buy foreign fighters. You'd figure they would save a lot of money. Yet they buy foreign.

Originally Posted by AssassinsMace

Then why do they want F-22s? Their fighter imports outnumber domestic by a long mile. So self-sufficient that they need to buy foreign fighters. You'd figure they would save a lot of money. Yet they buy foreign.

http://www.hangkongnet.com/uploadfil...9070410864.jpgthere is the proof they are building it, you simply do not understand aircraft design is expensive.
Is not lack of technology of Japan, it is always cheaper to buy or cooperate, however the Japanese have the technology and proof is they are building already their new F-3 here are more pictures

http://www.asahi.com/business/update...1203280698.jpg

You can repeat information all you want. Still doesn't change the fact the vast majority of Japan's fighters are not domestic. It is not self-sufficent and cheaper to buy foreign. In other words it's called spinning dependency on the US.

Originally Posted by AssassinsMace

You can repeat information all you want. Still doesn't change the fact the vast majority of Japan's fighters are not doemstic. It is not self-sufficent and cheaper to buy foreign. In other words it's called spinning dependency on the US.

look i know where you want to go, but you are wrong.

T-4, was the first asian jet designed in Asia with a domestic jet engine




i have shown you the F-3 is not being built, however the japanese are quiet smart to understand


F-1 is not a copy, it was designed in Japan but they used the Sepecat Jaguar as model, however the Sepecat Jaguar was not licensed to Japan as it was for India.

In helicopters the OH-1 is also and original design and the P-X is the first large aircraft with domestic asian jet engines

I love how you spin things into different directions. Did I say that Japan can't make a fighter? No. You can show all the Japanese fighters all you want. Fact is they still buy foreign because their fighters are not up to par. And did I say anything about an F-1 was a copy? No. This is your MO to digress from what's being discussed so you can keep arguing.

Originally Posted by AssassinsMace

I love how you spin things into different directions. Did I say that can't make a fighter? No. You can show all the Japanese fighters all you want. Fact is they still buy foreign because their fighters are not up to par.

I am not spinning anything, i said the Japanese are building their stealth fighter already and in fact they started the assembly of the jet, by the way their jet has thrust vectoring nozzles



See the picture of the videos and they show the nozzles being tested.

So why Japan`s stealth does not ring any bells in the west?
Simple Japan is an ally of the US and has a democracy, by the way i have many friends married to japanese, i do not agree with your view at all because i know many americans married to japanese and many Europeans too, and in my family my mother`s uncle is married to a Chinese.
So my cousins are half chinese, i have two friends whose wives are also Chinese.

So in the west there are many people who have broken the steriotypes.

J-20 is just a threat because is a weapon and China votes UN resolutions that go against western interests

Just because you know Americans married to Japanese means the US did not have this paranoid fear over Japan during the 1980s. My teenage years was during the 80s. There was an extreme paranoia over Japan during the 1980s. All the things complained about China today are verbatim from tensions with Japan during the 1980s. Aren't you Mexican as you identified yourself as before? What happens with your family doesn't speak for what happened in the US at the time. And if you want to know, ask Mexican-American comedian, Paul Rodriguez, who's act in part during the 80s was making racist comments about Japanese stealing American jobs. And what you refuse to see is your logic works the other way around. Chinese are married to Westerners so how do you label China as a threat?

I already know your MO so I'm not going along with you digression any further and attempt to kill the J-20 thread.

Originally Posted by AssassinsMace

Just because you know Americans married to Japanese means the US did not have this paranoid fear over Japan during the 1980s. My teenage years was during the 80s. There was an extreme paranoia over Japan during the 1980s. All the things complained about China today are verbatim from tensions with Japan during the 1980s. Aren't you Mexican as you identified yourself as before? What happens with your family doesn't speak for what happened in the US at the time. And if you want to know, ask Mexican-American comedian, Paul Rodriguez, who's act in part during the 80s was making racist comments about Japanese stealing American jobs. And what you refuse to see is your logic works the other way around. Chinese are married to Westerners so how do you label China as a threat?

I already know your MO so I'm not going along with you digression any further and and attempt to kill the J-20 thread.

what a few loons do, does not mean is a policy of a government, i know people married to asians, like i said my mother`s brother, my uncle married a Chinese, so my cousins are half chinese, i consider my family very open, i have cousins married to nigerians, costaricans, americans, from all ethnicities, i have jewish as well christian family, family in Israel and Russia, so for me crazy people are every where, but it does not mean that is a state policy.

the US is an ally of Japan, however state policy is different to some actions of some people, i also have a good american friend who is half mexican, married to a Japanese, so tell me what is the difference of Paul Frank and my friend who happens to be 60 years old and married his wife in the 1970s?

the difference is they are individuals.

Now the US will develop a sixth generation fighter because Russia and China are developing 5th generation fighters.

Japan is developing the F-3 because China is developing the J-20.

That is state policy, the emergence of J-20 and the political disagreements between China and the West means state policies are taken to find a way to neutralize J-20

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