This is a discussion on J-20... The New Generation Fighter III within the Air Force forums, part of the China Defense & Military category; i can also say that despite being in service for so long, there is so little known about the F-22, ...
i can also say that despite being in service for so long, there is so little known about the F-22, especially under the skin, beyond the aerodynamic shape and about its LO capabilities, that it is close to pointless to draw comparison from it
the F-35 even enjoyed much more exposure than the F-22 despite being much newer
there is no problem drawing comparison from well established facts for an informative discussion, but the problem with these arguments is simply because they are inaccurate and distorted
and we probably know even less about the J-20 itself
Dude , I feel your "pain" .
Sometimes , one gets the impression that only certain nations are about to produce truly advanced "alien" like fighters that cannot be detected, and cannot be shot down.
If China were to develope a new generation fighther , it gets scrutinized and diagnosed under the most powerful microscope in the galaxy . Every assumption, opinion , value, and fact gets challenged .
This limits the quality ,extent & depth of discussion on this forum .
What a pity .
Last edited by bd popeye; 11-02-2011 at 08:43 AM.
Apparently someone said that the pic of the J-20 flying with paint chipping off near the tail was ps'd
I somewhat doubt that, given we saw quite a few pictures of the paint or whatever it was chipped off, and that we haven't seen any pictures of the same pictures without the chipping if it was PS.
Besides who would be so daft to PS that bit of paint off
CARRIER HAS ARRIVED! ^^
FFS, not this again.
Is this real? J-10BS with WS-10?
Colour looks a bit unnatural but could be just due to poor photo quality.
Waiting for confirmation.
... That was posted in the J-10 thread, why post again in this one lol?
And personally I think it's PSed... if it were real there'd be a lot more noise.
CARRIER HAS ARRIVED! ^^
^ I didn't notice the post in the J-10 thread, and I posted in this thread by accident thinking this was the J-10 thread.
Mods please delete the post, thanks.
latenlazy, about "scallops", what do you think about LO tapes, it is used extensively on F-22 and F-35
another tell tale (if it does exist now or later) that the J-20 is in the ballpark of F-22/F-35 LO?
well it is said LO is 80% about shaping, to say that the J-20 got the shaping alright means it got the 80% done
so they are hunting for the 20% now
i agree, its too early to tell from this prototype, we'll just have to wait
I should have clarified to say the J-20 seems to have rather good frontal and side aspect shaping. The shaping of the tail is noticeably poorer, but well see what they do with that. I don't doubt we're going tos ee revisions to the design as testing continues.
yes its a simplification, that 20% might account for a digit or two of decibels in LO measurement, and Americans went to great lengths pursuing it
about tail aspect, redesign will depend on the new engine, how increased thrust and different control will affect flight, how TVC affect flight laws, elimination of ventral stabs(probably?)
and WS-15 cant be at the same size with AL-31/WS-10 can it?