J-20... The New Generation Fighter II

Originally Posted by Krabat1976

The report from GlobalTimes is unusually bold: not only they mention F22 and not F35 or Pak-Fa as rival of J20, they also mention a J18 in development, and finally they affirm that by 2021 China aviation will be on par with the ones of other giant nations in aerospace.
While they acknowledge that the main weakness of China is their civilian engine sector, they seem confident that in only a decade thay can close the gap. Considering that currently China does not produce even engine for ARJ21, that are DC9 like i think, this is a very bold and optimistic statement. I think this is a very good sign, because chinese are usually very shy and conservative in their estimate and assessement of their own power (is a tradition since Sun-Tzu).

Yes it is. Is there any other evidence of the J-18? Oh did these guys not do their research.

Originally Posted by Krabat1976

The report from GlobalTimes is unusually bold: not only they mention F22 and not F35 or Pak-Fa as rival of J20, they also mention a J18 in development, and finally they affirm that by 2021 China aviation will be on par with the ones of other giant nations in aerospace.
While they acknowledge that the main weakness of China is their civilian engine sector, they seem confident that in only a decade thay can close the gap. Considering that currently China does not produce even engine for ARJ21, that are DC9 like i think, this is a very bold and optimistic statement. I think this is a very good sign, because chinese are usually very shy and conservative in their estimate and assessement of their own power (is a tradition since Sun-Tzu).

You do realize that just because its a Chinese paper does not make it a CCP mouthpiece right? Hell, even if it was Xinhua, I would first look at the source. If it was an editorial, I would still not take it as gospel. Only if they quoted high-ranking in-service PLA commanders or top level political figures would you be able to treat the statement as official belief.

As it is, I would not give it any more credibility than editorials from any other people. The fact its published in China does not automatically make it an authority on top secret PLA projects and even more secret future ambitions.

Originally Posted by plawolf

You do realize that just because its a Chinese paper does not make it a CCP mouthpiece right?

All mainstream news outlets are propaganda mouthpieces for their respective countries.


That's definitely chipping paint of some sort. Ouch not a good sign.

Originally Posted by defaultuser1

All mainstream news outlets are propaganda mouthpieces for their respective countries.


That's definitely chipping paint of some sort. Ouch not a good sign.

Well, that's what prototypes are for, finding problems like that.

Report: China stealth fighter makes second test flight – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

"Report: China stealth fighter makes second test flight
April 19th, 2011
07:29 AM ET


China's J-20 stealth fighter appears on a runway in Chengdu in January.

China has had a second test flight of its J-20 stealth fighter jet, according to a report from the government-owned newspaper Global Times.

Under the headline "Mystery jet 'flies' again," the paper cited witness accounts that the jet flew Sunday in Chengdu as part of celebrations of the 60th anniversary of China's aviation industry.

The flight lasted almost an hour and a half, an unnamed witness told Global Times.

"The J-20 made several passes and waggled its wings (rolling the plane first to one side then to the other) to salute the crowd near the airfield," Global Times quotes the witness as saying.

The J-20 "has been touted as a potential challenger to the U.S. Air Force's F-22 Raptor, the world's only fifth-generation fighter jet," Global Times said.

The J-20 made its first flight in January as U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates was visiting China."

Originally Posted by rhino123

Those rumours are pure BS. How could the RAM be not waterproof. Afterall, one of the biggest thing in aircraft is water, water condensation, etc. So if F-22 RAM is not waterproof, after awhile of flying, the RAM would loose its capability and reveal the F-22 to enemy's radar.

Good point, plausible.

Originally Posted by pugachev_diver

Speaking of fifth generation fighters, I wonder if those similar projects from South Korea, India, and Japan are jokes or if they are real fully fledged projects.

It's complicated. Basically, their projects are reflection of their requirement, tech ability, and finantial resources. It isn't a joke, though none is fully fledged.

Originally Posted by Bltizo

The test in Janruary was the "public" flight test though... Before that they were taxiing the plane on the runway most likely to test the engines out, and they had two prototypes with the Al-31 equipped one most likely testing to see if it could fly and then the WS-1X one for the "public" test for a bit more national prestige/show off to the military/political leaders who had went to see.

Fair enough, but I think that opinion is a bit skewed. I mean the PLA hardly ever likes to show off what they have in development, but they knew it was going to get out eventually so may as well make the plane look good in its first test and try to spook a defense secretary or two.
(Assuming that test was the first) I don't think it can be called rushed -- the PAK FA flew for a similar amount of time with landing gear down for its maiden flight. But again I feel the need to emphasise the flight test we saw was probably not the first and was merely the unofficial "disclosure". There were probably numbers of taxiing and a test flight or two of both 2001 prototypes to make sure everything worked on the big day of the public "disclosure".

Any way, it's not a typical PLAF style, too high profile.

Originally Posted by pugachev_diver

Any Chinese in this forum that's visiting China this summer? Maybe if you're going near Chengdu, please go visit and take some pics for us to see.

It's really a luxury. China is so vast, and J20 doesn't fly every day.

Originally Posted by airsuperiority

i'm going to chengdu, but i doubt i can or know how to get there

Call a taxi......

Originally Posted by Asymptote

Not waterproof? What do you mean? Like when it rain it will wash off?!!

Gates said U.S. will build all-weather stealth fighter. So someone guesses F-22's RAM is not waterproof.

Originally Posted by Bltizo

Agile enough to take on the F-22 I presume ^^
It's not that much bigger than the T-50.



Bit harsh -- the painted up T-50 looks quite good, and we don't know how good the build quality of the J-20 actually is with this paint scheme, at this far distance.
But those couple of pictures certainly make the plain look awesome.

I say evil.

Originally Posted by Red___Sword

Bltizo, just with you, a friendly discussion:

Linking other topics in this fourm, do you (or, don't you) have already sense that, people around here, are all HIGH RANKING OFFICERS FROM CMC THEMSELVES!!!

Why? Because they believe:"As long as a people as important like me - didn't see anything. That thing did not exist! For sure!"

I mean, sure, the AshBM program did not DELIVER a test report to them, it thus do not exist;

Just FREAKING 5 MONTH AGO, nobody DELIVER a signed report to them, the freaking J-20 is only a joke made up by fanboys at amateurs non-creditable Chinese fourms;

Sure, type 99 MBT can not conduct mission at desert, because I DIDN'T SEE IT! The only thing I heard is they use russian engine, russian gun, russian... what the hell - RUSSIAN TANK WITH A PLA STAR PAINT, ONLY!

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Laughable, right? I (Red___Sword) laugh every time when saw these posts, and I laugh THE MOST at this J-20 thread.

Just a friendly sharing.

Modest sceptical is essential.