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    Quite a few posts back when everybody was back slapping each other over Chinas J20 one member posed the question "what of Europe" with the financial crisis they will be too poor to develop anything to match or counter the J20.

    Although not in the design class of the J20, how about the UK's Taranis. Its a unmanned fast Jet demonstator, the size of a Hawk trainer.Its one of the worlds largest UCAV, that is stealthy, travels vast distances. While primarily built for survellience, it also can deploy a range of munitions over selected targets as well as defend itself against manned and unmanned craft.

    Just imagine if different variants were built such as specialised J20 hunter killers. Lacking a pilot, so t you could pull more G's, thus making it ideal for dogfighting and all that sort of stuff. And after expending all the muntion one could kamikaze it into an enemy plane.. Sacrificing one cheap UCAV over a more expensive and crewed J20 would be a pretty good swap huh?


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    I see you guys said Stop! Stop! Stop! but you never stop. Unless you stop replying to the posts of MKI, it won't stop. Now, stop replying, including mine.

    Back to topic...
    It has been speculated, that I almost considered it as true, that the J-20 would fly within this week. This morning, on sina.com I saw a post of a reviewing stand setup at Chengdu's airport which confirms that there would be big events soon. Now, how credible is this news, experts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bladerunner View Post
    Quite a few posts back when everybody was back slapping each other over Chinas J20 one member posed the question "what of Europe" with the financial crisis they will be too poor to develop anything to match or counter the J20.

    Although not in the design class of the J20, how about the UK's Taranis. Its a unmanned fast Jet demonstator, the size of a Hawk trainer.Its one of the worlds largest UCAV, that is stealthy, travels vast distances. While primarily built for survellience, it also can deploy a range of munitions over selected targets as well as defend itself against manned and unmanned craft.

    Just imagine if different variants were built such as specialised J20 hunter killers. Lacking a pilot, so t you could pull more G's, thus making it ideal for dogfighting and all that sort of stuff. And after expending all the muntion one could kamikaze it into an enemy plane.. Sacrificing one cheap UCAV over a more expensive and crewed J20 would be a pretty good swap huh?


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    You have vastly over-estimated the capability of AIs.

    The current AIs are usually NP type problems using typical shallow numerical methods, and dont expect AI can outperformance human brains in complicate tasks anytime soon if ever happened in this century.

    As for unmanned aircraft, China has invested lots money here as well, and I would say, at least in the foreseeable future, un-manned striker/bomber would be more feasible choices over un-manned fighters.
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    BAJRANGBAL and maffiaw,

    Stop discussing anything that's off topic. You two have even said in your own off topic posts that you are off topic; however, STOP MEANS STOP! That means stop quoting and replying to each others' posts! If you two really want to argue, do it over PM. This thread is solely used for discussing the J-20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bladerunner View Post
    Quite a few posts back when everybody was back slapping each other over Chinas J20 one member posed the question "what of Europe" with the financial crisis they will be too poor to develop anything to match or counter the J20.

    Although not in the design class of the J20, how about the UK's Taranis. Its a unmanned fast Jet demonstator, the size of a Hawk trainer.Its one of the worlds largest UCAV, that is stealthy, travels vast distances. While primarily built for survellience, it also can deploy a range of munitions over selected targets as well as defend itself against manned and unmanned craft.

    Just imagine if different variants were built such as specialised J20 hunter killers. Lacking a pilot, so t you could pull more G's, thus making it ideal for dogfighting and all that sort of stuff. And after expending all the muntion one could kamikaze it into an enemy plane.. Sacrificing one cheap UCAV over a more expensive and crewed J20 would be a pretty good swap huh?


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    First of all no way could that airframe be that of a fighter.

    Second of all why would Europe create a counter measure to the J-20?
    I see you guys said Stop! Stop! Stop! but you never stop. Unless you stop replying to the posts of MKI, it won't stop. Now, stop replying, including mine.

    Back to topic...
    It has been speculated, that I almost considered it as true, that the J-20 would fly within this week. This morning, on sina.com I saw a post of a reviewing stand setup at Chengdu's airport which confirms that there would be big events soon. Now, how credible is this news, experts?
    Reviewing stand setup at Chengdu airport
    Dude you are so out. The stupid flight was cancelled yesterday (apparently due to bad weather or something). We may have to wait till it is a perfect sunny day so the photographers could get the best pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bladerunner View Post
    Just imagine if different variants were built such as specialised J20 hunter killers. Lacking a pilot, so t you could pull more G's, thus making it ideal for dogfighting and all that sort of stuff. And after expending all the muntion one could kamikaze it into an enemy plane.. Sacrificing one cheap UCAV over a more expensive and crewed J20 would be a pretty good swap huh?
    Sacrificing an even cheaper An-jian for such a UCAV is a pretty good swap as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bladerunner View Post
    Quite a few posts back when everybody was back slapping each other over Chinas J20 one member posed the question "what of Europe" with the financial crisis they will be too poor to develop anything to match or counter the J20.

    Although not in the design class of the J20, how about the UK's Taranis. Its a unmanned fast Jet demonstator, the size of a Hawk trainer.Its one of the worlds largest UCAV, that is stealthy, travels vast distances. While primarily built for survellience, it also can deploy a range of munitions over selected targets as well as defend itself against manned and unmanned craft.

    Just imagine if different variants were built such as specialised J20 hunter killers. Lacking a pilot, so t you could pull more G's, thus making it ideal for dogfighting and all that sort of stuff. And after expending all the muntion one could kamikaze it into an enemy plane.. Sacrificing one cheap UCAV over a more expensive and crewed J20 would be a pretty good swap huh?


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    Building a UCAV for attacking ground targets is different to building an unmanned UCAV for air to air combat able to pull more Gs than a manned fighter... even if it had all the necessary avionics and air to air missiles the other sides 5th gen fighter can just supercruise or out manouever from the kill zone.

    I mean it'd be a good swap... if it were possible at all.

    (And kamikazing into an enemy plane??? Seriously??)

    It'll be decades until a viable air to air UCAV is developed.


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    Sacrificing an even cheaper An-jian for such a UCAV is a pretty good swap as well.
    Don't know about the even cheaper part. Anjian was supposed to be an Air to Air UCAV that could go supersonic.

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    I wonder if PLAAF has plans for the J-20 to direct ground attack UCAVs. This will actually be a pretty deadly combination, as if you leave the UCAVs alone, they will destroy your surface assets. If you go after them, you will get picked off easily by J-20s.

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    Alright, even the Chinese sites got cooled down and folks now panning it'd be 11th for maiden flight due to favorable weather (y'know, the whole "the authority wants the best pics and vids to show the world" deal).

    Now, I think we all agreed there's some really "heavy weight" showed up yesterday for that kind of security, and it turns out quite...heavy. According to Hong Kong's Mingpao newspaper, senior officials like Xi Jinping and the PLAAF Chief of Staff, plus a few more, were on site listening to the briefing by CAC project personnel...think they also look inside the engine yesterday too eh?

    There might be another clue to the "engine breakthrough", on Jan 6th, the PLA issued commendation to an air force engineer. Besides, if it ain't "Made in China", there won't be such a crowd at the engine exhaust yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Engineer View Post
    I wonder if PLAAF has plans for the J-20 to direct ground attack UCAVs. This will actually be a pretty deadly combination, as if you leave the UCAVs alone, they will destroy your surface assets. If you go after them, you will get picked off easily by J-20s.
    We discussed that a few pages back . Apparently Rafale will have the capability to direct Neuron UCAVs so it won't be impossible for J-20 to direct UCAVS like Warrior Eagle or such.
    But any man-in-the-loop controller will be out of the combat zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MwRYum View Post
    Alright, even the Chinese sites got cooled down and folks now panning it'd be 11th for maiden flight due to favorable weather (y'know, the whole "the authority wants the best pics and vids to show the world" deal).

    Now, I think we all agreed there's some really "heavy weight" showed up yesterday for that kind of security, and it turns out quite...heavy. According to Hong Kong's Mingpao newspaper, senior officials like Xi Jinping and the PLAAF Chief of Staff, plus a few more, were on site listening to the briefing by CAC project personnel...think they also look inside the engine yesterday too eh?

    There might be another clue to the "engine breakthrough", on Jan 6th, the PLA issued commendation to an air force engineer. Besides, if it ain't "Made in China", there won't be such a crowd at the engine exhaust yesterday.
    Courtesy Starikki from Keypub post this link

    On 6th Jan, Chinese aircraft engine expert Gan Xiaohua(甘晓华) was awarded First Class Merit Citation by The Military Commission of the Central Committee.

    and that's news from official site of Ministry of National Defence
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    That could mean something...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MwRYum View Post
    Alright, even the Chinese sites got cooled down and folks now panning it'd be 11th for maiden flight due to favorable weather (y'know, the whole "the authority wants the best pics and vids to show the world" deal).

    Now, I think we all agreed there's some really "heavy weight" showed up yesterday for that kind of security, and it turns out quite...heavy. According to Hong Kong's Mingpao newspaper, senior officials like Xi Jinping and the PLAAF Chief of Staff, plus a few more, were on site listening to the briefing by CAC project personnel...think they also look inside the engine yesterday too eh?

    There might be another clue to the "engine breakthrough", on Jan 6th, the PLA issued commendation to an air force engineer. Besides, if it ain't "Made in China", there won't be such a crowd at the engine exhaust yesterday.
    Another thing. If I am not mistaken the mid-stage missile intercept occured on the 11th of January as well. China is getting into the pattern.

    It'll be really cool since it will be 1/11/11!!!

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