How many fighters does China have?

Where does your source come from? Care to share?

Originally Posted by FarkTypeSoldier

Where does your source come from? Care to share?

What people on sinodefence tried to do to estimate the number of fighters is take leaks from CCTV regarding induction of new J-10/J-11 regiments. We are able to create a pretty good estimate from that.

Originally Posted by siegecrossbow

What people on sinodefence tried to do to estimate the number of fighters is take leaks from CCTV regarding induction of new J-10/J-11 regiments. We are able to create a pretty good estimate from that.

By doing this for free, you guys are going to destroy US intelligence jobs.

Originally Posted by nosh

By doing this for free, you guys are going to destroy US intelligence jobs.

That's a good point. Jobs are hard to come by these days!

Originally Posted by tphuang

btw, don't assume every regiment where you see J-11BS to be J-11B regiments. It's quite possible that they will mix and match J-11BS in J-11 regiments. Also, they could mix match J-11B into other J-11 regiments. I certainly don't think they've produced 116 J-11Bs. I don't know where you got that number from. No, I don't trust every so called "big shrimps" on CD. In fact, quite a few of them seem to be outright SAC cheerleaders.

Remember, they had trouble with that first regiment of J-11B to 1st division. It wasn't until 2010 when it really got accepted into service. But can they have 2 full regiments, 2 partial regiments and a few J-11BS deployed to other J-11 regiments to fill the trainer role? I think that's more likely.

From the table that I've half done several post back, I have 3 full regiments of J-11B (2xPLAAF, 1xPLANAF), and another 2 J-11B regiments that aren't fully converted but are supplementing the existing J-11 & Su-27 regiments. So it would roughly be around 72xJ-11B.....this is my initial approximation, will need more time to refine the list that I made.

Originally Posted by Jeff Head

So, with all of this in mind...what is the answer to this question after all of the discussion. How many fighters does China have?

Remaining J-7s, J-8s, SU-27s, J-10s, J-11s, SU-30s?

While we're at it, what about the attack aircraft Q-5, JH-7?

...and Bombers, H-6s?

I agree that it would be nice to have a concise, easy to read table that included these numbers, that could be regularly and easilly updated as new aircraft came on board and as older aircraft werwe taken out of service. Thelink you provided is not showing up on image shack for me and perhaps that answers this...but I would love to see an updated spread sheet format in HTML format, with pics opf each aircraft that when clicked on took you to a specific page for that aircraft.

Something along the lines of a nice page with pics,. specs, and history., perhaps even the deployment.

Big job though.

Here's my page, for example, for the:

F-35 and for the E-2D

It would be great to have a web site with all of the PRC active/major cobatant aircraft arranged like I arrange my world-wide aircraft carriers site.

Oh well, it would be a big order.

Anyhow...as always, great work.

Well I sort of done what you asked several post back with a half done list. Haven't had time to finish it off.

Originally Posted by nosh

By doing this for free, you guys are going to destroy US intelligence jobs.

If they insert the table that I did into there pentagon report....I feel I might need to back hand them in the face, for not giving me credit.

now I'm back. I will finish the list of soon I got free time now.
i haven't finished it off yet, not even close, but I would appreciate some feedback to my page.

http://www.wix.com/hksdueditor/china-military-force




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Originally Posted by HKSDU

now I'm back. I will finish the list of soon I got free time now.
i haven't finished it off yet, not even close, but I would appreciate some feedback to my page.

http://www.wix.^^^/hksdueditor/china-military-force#!

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i like the J-10 and J-8II but the JH-7 is also a cool jet

I think these numbers are as good as one can get, great work by everyone to get information to get the final numbers this is helpful info!

can someone do same for the helicopters? lol

Originally Posted by HKSDU

From the table that I've half done several post back, I have 3 full regiments of J-11B (2xPLAAF, 1xPLANAF), and another 2 J-11B regiments that aren't fully converted but are supplementing the existing J-11 & Su-27 regiments. So it would roughly be around 72xJ-11B.....this is my initial approximation, will need more time to refine the list that I made.



Well I sort of done what you asked several post back with a half done list. Haven't had time to finish it off.



If they insert the table that I did into there pentagon report....I feel I might need to back hand them in the face, for not giving me credit. *while typing this message FBI breaksdown my door...*

There are probably more J-7 and Q-5 regiments than those listed.

6 and 37 Divs are in Lanzhou MR, not Chengdu.

8x Regiments of JH-7 = 194
7x Regiments of J-10 = 196 + (14)
13x Regiments of Su-27/J-11 = 312
4x Regiments of Su-30 = 81 + (19)
9x Regiments of J-8 = 216
22x Regiments of J-7 = 616
6x Regiments of Q-5 = 144

At the moment (90% finished) => Total: 1792 (816/1792 are 4th generation)

That corresponds closely to the regiments I know by number and base, but there may be four more (Q-5, J-7).

I only have 12 SU-27/J-11 regiments. Your thirteenth regiment is probably 17 Regt/6 Div which is still flying J-7E.

I have 10 J-8 regiments, including one JZ-8F regiment and two naval regiments (15 and 25).

Originally Posted by franco-russe

That corresponds closely to the regiments I know by number and base, but there may four more (Q-5, J-7).

I only have 12 SU-27/J-11 regiments. Your thirteenth regiment is probably 17 Regt/6 Div which is still flying J-7E.

I have 10 J-8 regiments, including one JZ-8F regiment and two naval regiments (15 and 25).

For your J-11/Su-27 regiment, did you include the regiment that was recently introduced into PLANAF? Also there seems to be a new batch of J-10 that just came out, but waiting for the serial numbers to determine where they will be stationed.

10% still to finish so that can add couple more regiments here and there for J-7, J-8, Q-5. Thanks for your heads up.

@ HKSDU & as usual franco-russe

Thanks for Yor work and esp. for that "aircraft-counting" ... besides that wouldn't it be easier or at least helpful if You add the individual units to that list instead of a simple list like in #71 ?!

Thanks in advance,
Deino

Originally Posted by HKSDU

For your J-11/Su-27 regiment, did you include the regiment that was recently introduced into PLANAF? Also there seems to be a new batch of J-10 that just came out, but waiting for the serial numbers to determine where they will be stationed.

10% still to finish so that can add couple more regiments here and there for J-7, J-8, Q-5. Thanks for your heads up.

that actually sounds like too many Su-27/J-11s. They originally imported 78 su-27s from Russia and they produced 95 to 105 locally as J-11/A, possibly more. Maybe a couple of them have crashed and they got a couple of replacements as gifts. That's about 173 to 183 su-27/J-11/A at mo. If we use the number of 312 as the total number of su-27/J-11s, then that means they would've produced 130 to 140 J-11Bs. I don't think they've produced that many at all.

If you look at scramble's orbat
http://www.scramble.nl/mil/7/china/plaaf-orbat.htm
It looks like there are 11 su-27/J-11 regiments in there. (1st division, 30th, 7th, 19th 55th regiment, 19th 56 regiment, 14th, 29th, 2nd, 33rd, 37th, 6th). There is obviously and additional J-11B regiment also in PLANAF. So, that would add up to a total of 12. At the same time, 3 of them have just started conversion into J-11B/S and I suspect not all of the regiments have 24 aircraft (based on su-30mkk size). So the actual number is probably smaller than 12 * 24 = 288 aircraft. I would put in at 250 to 270 right now. Although, this number will go up to the high 280s once those regiments finish conversion.

As for J-10, there are obviously the 7 regiments we know about and the last one (PLANAF one) looks like it's finished conversion. So, that's 28 *7 = 196. There is also the 12 for August 1st and 16 to 20 at FTTC. That would give a total of around 224 to 228 J-10s.