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Sczepan

in the news of
http://www.tagesschau.de/aktuell/mel...F1_BAB,00.html they say:
...Die Chinesen unterzeichneten gleichzeitig eine Vereinbarung mit dem Hubschrauberhersteller Eurocopter über die gemeinsame Entwicklung eines sechs bis sieben Tonnen-Hubschraubers....
in english it say:
... the chinese signed a contract with Eurocopter in common developing of a 6 to 7 ts Helo ....

New2u

http://translate.google.com/translat...language_tools
That link should tell u more about it...

"The Chinese signed at the same time an agreement with the helicopter manufacturer Eurocopter over the common development six to sieved ton helicopter."
what are these sieved ton helicopters???

Sczepan

it means "seven"

MIGleader

perhaps it is this:
http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/helicopter/cmh.asp

a 6000ton dedicated utility helicopter. the reason eurocopter is allowed to participate in this clearly military intent program is because the helicopter can find itself a civilian role, which im sure it will. finally a capable transport to replace the aging black hawks. i dont think the mi-17 is very advaced, only a stopgap measure for this copter.

tphuang

This is interesting, this is part of a large scale cooperation between China and Eurocopter. We are basically looking at 3 separate projects, EC175, EC120 and CMH. I'm hoping this would provide the basis for some real advancement in the utility, transport, multirole and naval helicopters:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051205...r_051205131711

China in deal with Eurocopter to develop new helicopter

1 hour, 12 minutes ago



PARIS (AFP) - China signed a cooperation deal with the European helicopter manufacturer Eurocopter for the development of a new civil aircraft.


The deal was signed in Paris during a visit to France by Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao.

The new 16-seater helicopter named the EC175 will go into development in 2006 and production is due to start in 2011, Eurocopter -- a subsidiary of the European consortium EADS -- said in a statement.

Eurocopter and the Chinese company ACIC II will each invest 300 million euros (352 million dollars) to develop the new helicopter, the statement said.

"Production will be shared on a 50/50 basis and each country will have its own assembly line. Sales forecasts for this latest-generation helicopter call for 800 to be sold worldwide over the next 20 years," it said.

Eurocopter factory in Marignane, France. China signed a cooperation deal with the European helicopter manufacturer Eurocopter for the development of a new civil aircraft.(AFP/File/Gerard Julien)


http://english.people.com.cn/200309/...7_124404.shtml

China to manufacture EC120 helicopter
China is expected to manufacture advanced EC120 helicopters in the near future, said a high ranking official with the Hafei Aviation Industry Co., ltd. Tuesday in Harbin.

"It has been approved in principle to let us build a new assembly line to manufacture EC120 helicopter outside France," said Qu Jingwen, general manager of the company.

Qu said the company was discussing with Euro Copter and the China Aviation Technology Import and Export Corporation the detailed technology and the procedure of obtaining airworthiness licenses. A written agreement is expected to be signed by the end of this year and the first aircraft is expected to roll off line by the end of 2004.

The EC120 is a five-seat light helicopter. It was designed jointly by Euro Copter, China Aviation Technology Import and Export Corporation, Harbin Aviation Industry Co. ltd and SingaporeTechnology Airspace Industry Corporation, in 1990.

Making a successful maiden flight in 1995, the aircraft has obtained licenses in more than 30 countries and regions. Beside being used as common passenger and cargo aircraft, the EC120 can be used for rescue, training, patrol and other missions.

The aim of building the assembly line is to cater to the demand of the Chinese market. In the next 10 years, China is expected to need at least 100 such aircraft, according to Qu.

With a design capability to produce 30 aircraft annually, the assembly line will need total investment of 20 million yuan.

So far, some 400 EC120 have been sold in 38 countries and regions.

http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/helicopter/cmh.asp

To meet the growing demands for a medium-weight multirole helicopter from both military and civil sectors, the Chinese helicopter industry is currently developing a 6,000kg class helicopter under the help of international partners. The new 6,000kg class medium helicopter, which has yet been officially named, is sometime referred to as the Chinese Medium Helicopter (CMH) programme.

PROGRAMME

According to the report by Flight International, in May 1997 AVIC II and China National Aero-Technology Import-Export Corporation (CATIC) signed a US$70~80 million contract with Eurocopter France to develop an appropriate rotor system, including the main and tail rotor hubs and blades, for the CMH and possibly the attack helicopter programmes too. In March 1999, Agusta announced that it had signed a US$30 million initial contract with AVIC II and CATIC to develop the gear box and transmission components for the CMH.

At the same time, several Western companies have been competing in providing the CMH with the powerplant. Pratt and Whitney Canada has delivered two of its 1,700hp (1,250kW) PT6C-67C turbo-shafts to China’s Helicopter Research and Development Institute (CHRDI) located at Jingdezhen, Jiangxi Province. Torbomeca has also offered at least one unspecified powerplant, and its new 900kW-class Ardiden turbo-shafts specifically designed for 5/6t class helicopters. Agusta, which is helping China develop the transmission system for the CMH, is providing design expertises which may include the final choice on the powerplant options.

According to Chinese media, the medium helicopter project was initially set as a 5,500kg class design, but later changed to 6.000kg after reviewing the potential market needs. The CMH programme officially began in 2004. Analysis suggests that the first flight of a CMH prototype could take place in 2005 or 2006. This could lead to Chinese certification on a civil variant by 2007. First delivery of the CMH tactical transport to the PLA Army Aviation could occur by 2010~2012, followed by the naval variant scheduled to replace the Z-9C in current service with the PLA Navy.

tphuang

more on EC175

Eurocopter Creates a New Helicopter in a Cooperative Venture with China


(Source: Eurocopter; issued Dec. 5, 2005)


In the presence of the Chinese Prime Minister, Mr. Wen Jiabao, and the French Prime Minister, Mr. Dominique de Villepin, a cooperation agreement covering the development of a new helicopter, the EC175, was signed by the President of AVIC II, Mr. Zhang Hongbiao, and the President of Eurocopter, Mr. Fabrice Brégier.

The signing of the Cooperation Contract concluded a year of intense negotiations to detail and develop the general principles laid down in the Agreement signed in October 2004 during President Chirac's official visit to China.

The five-year development phase will be kicked off early in 2006. The new civil helicopter is due to make its first flight in 2009, with European and Chinese certification set for 2011, the year in which production is due to start.

Each of the two companies will invest 300 million euros to develop the new helicopter. Production will be shared on a 50/50 basis and each country will have its own assembly line. Sales forecasts for this latest-generation helicopter call for 800 to be sold worldwide over the next 20 years.

"This historic cooperation agreement with China means that, with the EC175, we will now be able to definitively fill the gap in our helicopter range between the 5-ton Dauphin family and the 10-ton Super Puma family," said Eurocopter President Fabrice Brégier. "This program is formative for Eurocopter. It guarantees more than 30 years activities and the creation of 2,000 high tech jobs for Eurocopter and the company's partners. We expect a large number of sales from 2010 on, both in China and the rest of the world. The arrival of this new helicopter on the world market will insure Eurocopter's expansion in the years to come. Over 20 years, the program will be worth close to 10 billion euros."

The EC175 project follows in the footsteps of the past programs, which spawned increasingly tight cooperative ties between Chinese industry and Eurocopter. The licensed production of the Dauphin in 1980, followed by the industrial cooperation on the EC120 in 1992, paved the way to this more ambitious, equally shared helicopter codevelopment program.

The first codevelopment program of the EC120 light helicopter is a real success story. More than 500 EC120s have been sold throughout the world, and today the helicopter is the best seller in its category. In view of the growing market for helicopters in China, an assembly line was inaugurated in 2004 in the Harbin plant to satisfy the needs of the Chinese domestic market.

Initiated more than thirty years ago, these major cooperative projects uniting Eurocopter and China's aeronautical industry have been given a fresh lease of life by this agreement, which specifically addresses the new needs of the Chinese market.

"Today we are the front runner in the Chinese market with a 45% share in the civil and parapublic helicopter sector," said Mr. Norbert Ducrot, Eurocopter Vice-President for Asia. "Between now and 2015, it is predicted that China will need about 300 helicopters. The needs are colossal. Consider the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing and the 2010 Universal Exhibition in Shanghai. These two events alone will require the services of a large fleet of helicopters for security, law enforcement, medical assistance, emergency medical evacuation, TV broadcasts, VIP transport, and other activities. Thanks to the strategic cooperation agreement signed today, Eurocopter is not only set to become a privileged partner of the Chinese with respect to its global competitors, but the company will also be able to strengthen its position in a market that is enjoying an outstanding annual growth rate of 10-15%."

The EC175 to be developed by Eurocopter and AVIC II will feature the very latest technological advances in the cockpit and avionics, and with the 5-bladed Spheriflex main rotor and high energy absorbing airframe. The EC175 will be certified for two-pilot IFR and single-pilot VFR operations when carrying up to 16 passengers. The helicopter will have a radius of action of 200 nautical miles at a speed of 280 km/h.

As part of his official stay in France, the Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao will pay a visit to Eurocopter's Marignane site on Tuesday 6 December, where he will be welcomed by Mr. Noël Forgeard, President of EADS, Mr. Jean-Paul Gut COO of EADS, and Mr. Fabrice Brégier, President of Eurocopter.


Eurocopter is a wholly-owned subsidiary of EADS. EADS is a global leader in aerospace, defence and related services. In 2004, EADS generated revenues of EUR 31.8 billion and employed a workforce of about 110,000. The EADS Group includes the aircraft manufacturer Airbus, the world's largest helicopter supplier Eurocopter and the joint venture MBDA, the international leader in missile systems. EADS is the major partner in the Eurofighter consortium, is the prime contractor for the Ariane launcher, develops the A400M military transport aircraft and is the largest industrial partner for the European satellite navigation system Galileo.

Sczepan

the same story at http://www.shephard.co.uk/Rotorhub/I...2-6cf82c03a191

Quote:

New JV between Eurocopter and China's AVIC II will result in new EC175 model In the presence of the Chinese Prime Minister, Mr. Wen Jiabao, and the French Prime Minister, Mr. Dominique de Villepin, a cooperation agreement covering the development of a new helicopter, the EC175, was signed by the President of AVIC II, Mr. Zhang Hongbiao, and the President of Eurocopter, Mr. Fabrice Brégier. .....

petty officer1

Intesting picture of a new chinese version black hawk
But is this real??? I know it is not in any service of PLA.

Future development maybe?

PLABUDDY

That doesn't look like a blackhawk to me. Is it possible to provide the source?

Thanks
PLABUDDY

bd popeye

I'm back.

I just could not pass this up. No insult intended to anyone but....Why does there always seems to be some sort of picture or artist renderning of PLA equipment that no one can verfiy? Be it a ship, aircraft, missile, tank etc..Why the heck is that? What's the big secrect? It's a friggin' helo! Is the PLAAF going to build this or not? Anybody know? Gotta source for the pic?..The helo looks like a great platform for a light transport helo..Possible ASW variant??? I see a torpedo. Great artist in the PRC.

Someone please post some real information if known.

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Gollevainen

I think there was some semi-offical thing saying about chinese project of this class of helo, but whit Eurocopter, not Sikorsky...I think Thupuang has better information than I have...

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Sczepan

looks like Eurocopter designed EC 175

... in combination with the
6T-CLASS MEDIUM HELICOPTER PROGRAMME
=> http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/helicopter/cmh.asp

about the Eurocopter - cooperation see =>
http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com/FRTypen/FREC175.htm
http://www.deagel.com/pandora/ec-175_pm00557001.aspx
http://www.ainonline.com/Publication...d2ec175p2.html

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petty officer1

sina/ military section

I don't think is is real, maybe just a concept

MIGleader

The program is real. I think globalsecurities has a page on it too. This is pretty much another one of those china-europe "civilian" helicopter projects thats intended to fill both civilian and military sector markets. Not a bad design idea to me. This copter will work in supplement with future z-8s with uprated engines(Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6B-67A turboshaft engines). Say good bye to the mi-17!!!

adeptitus

Well, what about all those drawings in Popular Science magazine? Lots of conceptual art published there.