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This is a discussion on Chinese-European transport helo project within the Air Force forums, part of the China Defense & Military category; Hey ... the first fuselage of the EC.175 / Z-15 is finished !! :cheers: Harbin, Nov.16 (China Defense Mashup Report) ...

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    Hey ... the first fuselage of the EC.175 / Z-15 is finished !! :cheers:


    Harbin, Nov.16 (China Defense Mashup Report) — In the morning on Nov.15, 2008, Haifei Group (Harbin Aircraft Industry Group) held ceremony to celebrate the delivery of first fuselage of Z-15 helicopter, which is a joint venture of Sino-french project. Hundreds of Hafei employees and European experts witnessed the historical moment.

    The Eurocopter EC175 (also Harbin Z-15) is a 7-ton class medium utility helicopter being developed by Eurocopter and Harbin Aircraft Industry Group (HAIG). Formally launched at EC175 at Heli-Expo in Houston on 24 February 2008, the EC175 is due to be certified in 2011, with Eurocopter aiming to sell approximately 800 to 1,000 EC175s over 20 years. The People’s Liberation Army plans to take delivery of the Chinese-built Z-15 variant in 2015-2020 to replace their existing fleet (older Mil Mi-8, Sikorsky S-70, Harbin Z-8 and Harbin Z-9).

    http://tuku.military.china.com/milit...-17/115105.htm

    http://tuku.military.china.com/milit...05_1008516.htm

    or: http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/?p=1590

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    this news actually came out a while ago, in the start of the Zhuhai airshow, but I never really posted it, because I was trying to get my bearings straight on this transaction.
    昌河飞机工业(集团)有限责任公司与中航工业国际租赁公司正式签订了《直8F型直升机合作协议》,双方将共 同开发直8F型直升机市场,5年内昌飞公司将生产交付30架直8F型直升机,首批3架将于2010年完成交 付

     本报景德镇讯近日,记者从昌河飞机工业(集团)有限责任公司获悉,该公司与中航工业国际租赁公司正式签订 了《直8F型直升机合作协议》,双方将共同开发直 8F型直升机市场,5年内昌飞公司将生产交付30架直8F型直升机,首批3架将于2010年完成交付。这标 志着国产大型直升机开始进入我国的通用航空领域。

      直8F型直升机是由昌飞公司和中国直升机设计研究所共同研制的通用运输型直升机,由国防科工委批准立项 研制。该型直升机安装3台普惠加拿大公司生产的 PT6B-67A涡轴发动机,最大起飞重量为1.3万公斤,旋翼系统采用单旋翼带尾桨式构型,起落架为前三点轮式起落 架,配备了先进的发动机电子调节控制系统和数字化综合显控航空电子系统,主要用途为客货运输。直8F型直升 机可按照昼夜目视飞行规则和仪表飞行规则飞行,满足高温、高寒气候和高原等复杂地区使用要求。

      随着我国经济的快速发展,大中型直升机引起了国内业界的普遍关注,市场需求在不断升温。直8F型直升机 是国内该吨位的唯一一型国产直升机,具有非常广阔的市场前景。(余建华 冯建和)
    So a couple of things, people freaked out because they saw the 5 year for 30 orders of Z-8F. Now if you read carefully, it says that the first order doesn't get delivered until 2010, so that means 30 orders will be produced in 3 years. In fact, since the first year only has 3 deliveries, that means the remaining 27 orders would have to be delivered in about 2 and half years. Which still sounds slow, but not that bad when you consider that Changhe also has military versions of Z-8 on order. Consider that they produced 15 Z-8s in 2007 (not sure what the order is for this year but the recent assembly line photos indicate about just as many), this would actually increase the overall production of Z-8s in Changhe to well over 20 to probably 30 a year. Z-8F itself is also a really interesting story. We were convinced a while ago that Z-8F was joining PLAN/AF using PW engine. As it turned out, the ones that did join PLA were Z-8K and they used domestic engine (to avoid embargo issues). Z-8F will not have first flight until 2009. So after over 30 years, they finally developed a civilian version of Z-8.

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    中国将与俄罗斯联合研制重型直升机。将在5至6年内研制成功
    球时报1月8日报道 8日上午,中国航空工业集团公司(中航工业)与天津市政府在人民大会堂举行共同组建中航直升机有限责任公司 的协议签字仪式,在签字仪式上,中航工业副总经理、直升机公司董事长李方勇在接受环球时报记者采访时透露, 中国将与俄罗斯联合研制重型直升机。

    据李方勇董事长向环球时报记者介绍,在5·12地震救灾行动中,米-26重型直升机发挥了重大的作用,但由于米-26直升机作为前苏联时代研制的军用直升机,技术已经落后,并且经济性差,如果再重复研制一型这种超大吨位 的直升机并不符合市场规律,也不能满足国内和国际市场的需求,所以之前有关中国将引进米-26重型直升机的说法与事实不符。

    李方勇董事长告诉环球时报记者,中国已经确定与俄罗斯联合研制新一代重型直升机,新型号与米-26完全绝缘,不但技术水平先进,而且经济性符合市场化的需求。未来新型重型直升机的研发将与直-15直升机一样,采用的国际合作模式,中方与俄方将在研发资金投入及研制工作上各承担50%。据李方勇董事 长透露,这型重型直升机最大起飞重量在20到30吨级,将在5至6年内研制成功。

    Talks about Russia and China signing the agreement for developing a heavy transport. Eahc side will provide 50% of money and development effort for this project. Sounds like the deal they signed for Z-15.

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    more on this, I have no clue which helicopters they will be building, but the news is as follows
    New Helicopter Plant in China


    Hiller Aircraft Manufacturing Company and the Shanxi Xinhaisheng
    Trade Company signed an agreement to begin producing civilian

    helicopters by the close of 2009 with the goal of maufacturing 200
    medium and heavy-lift helicopters a year. This is China's first jointly

    funded civilian helicopter production. Soon after the contract was
    signed, China Aviation Industry Corporation decided to build a $1.2
    billion commercial helicopter plant in the northern port of Tianjin. A

    new company will be formed, China Aviation Industry Helicopter
    Corporation that will fill sales for that burgeoning market. Sales are
    forecasted to reach between 30-40 billion yuan ($4.4-$5.9 billion)
    within 10 years.

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    just more on that civilian helo project between china and russia, I guess just further confirmation that it will really happen.
    By John Liu

    March 11 (Bloomberg) -- China and Russia plan to jointly
    develop a large-sized helicopter, Aviation Industry Corp. of

    China Director Zhang Hongbiao said at a briefing in Beijing
    today. An agreement may be signed soon, Zhang said.

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    Looks like they landed in a soccer field.










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    中国重点直升机型号取得重大突破
      中国江西新闻网4月3日景德镇讯(曾菊敏 江滨 报道 )近日,六O二所2009年重大科研攻坚战之一--某型机旋翼系统试验圆满完成,该试验的成功,开创了大型直升机旋翼塔试验的先河,填补了直升机科研试验领域 的-项空白,同时标志着我国直升机旋翼试验能力已跻身世界先进行列。

      旋翼系统试验是一项由新研型号、新研试验台、新研参试系统组合的大型试验,时间紧,任务重,难度大,风 险高。该所自行研制的大型全尺寸先进复合材料旋翼系统第一次接受验证,自行研制的旋翼塔第一次承担最大型号 试验任务,该试验不仅考验旋翼系统,同时也考验旋翼塔,这是一个开创性的任务,是一种崭新的科研挑战。通常 情况下完成此类试验需要4-5个月时间,根据型号进度要求,必须在2个月内完成任务。

      2009年春节前两天,某型机旋翼系统正式进入试验程序,试验攻坚战全面打响。全体参试人员在所领导和 “两总”系统的领导和指挥下,与时间赛跑,与任务比拼.凭着坚韧不拔的毅力与意志,严谨求实的科学态度,挑 战极限的勇气魄力,以永不休止的奋斗精神和极大的创新意志,攻克一个又一个难关。

      试验过程中最大的挑战来自动特性试验,它涉及旋翼动力学等诸多学科,动特性试验需对旋翼系统进行强迫激 振,技术难度极高。参试人员综合运用多门学科知识,优化激振方案,简化试验系统和外部条件,成功地提升了试 验水平,全面掌握了动特性试验方法,经过参试人员的刻苦攻关,突破了大型复合材料旋翼系统旋翼塔、尾桨台试 验等一系列技术关键,占领了直升机旋翼系统试验技术制高点,为型号研制提供了有力的技术保障。

      试验型号研制成功令人欣慰,通过重大试验和重点型号的锤炼,一批技术精湛、朝气蓬勃的青年科技人员正在 与型号一起快速成长。同时,六O二所科研人员在试验过程中表现出来的精神力量,更是今后直升机事业技术发展 的不竭动力。


    谁能把2009.4.3号的中国航空报发上来,里面更详细。05年立项的项目。
    according to this, China Helicopter Design Research Institute, 602 institute, finished developing a new rotor system. Apparently, this is developed for large helicopter, althought it's not known which class exactly.

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    2008年,公司广大干部职工积极应对挑战,克服年初冰冻雨雪灾害、汶川地震、国际金融危机等不利因素的影 响,激情工作,挑战极限,众志成城,连续作战,公司实现销售收入14亿元。重点型号按计划节点稳步推进,全 年生产交付直8型机8架,直8型机生产交付周期较以前缩短半年以上,直11武装型机实现技术鉴定,实现6机 修理,国际合作齐头并进,s92尾斜梁交付35架份,S300交付48架份,1架CAl09交付央视,用户 接装各型飞机达30架,创历史之最,多型直升机在国家重大事件中表现出色。基本建设、基础管理、技术创新、 售后保障、国际专业认证、质量控制等各方面工作成果丰硕,全年申报各项专利和革新成果创历史新 纪录。

      2009年,将是昌飞公司科研和生产任务极其繁重的一年。重点型号的推进进入攻坚阶段;多种机型要实现 首飞,科研任务艰巨繁重;直升机生产交付任务较比2008年将有较大幅度增长,且型号品种多,科研和生产严 重交叉,生产周期短;国际合作全面拓展,技术难度和进度保障要求高;多机型将参加国庆60周年阅兵式,服务 保障力度大。因此,开好局,起好步,节前不松劲,这已成为全体干部职工的共识和行动。

    this actually kind of surprises me. It says that Changhe produced 8 Z-8s last years, repaired 6 Z-11WA, delivered tails for 35 S-92, produced 48 S-300 and 1 CA-109

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    PARIS AIR SHOW: Rostvertol to deliver China's second Mi-26T
    Russia delivered the 2nd Mi-26T as mentioned in this article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssassinsMace View Post
    Looks like they landed in a soccer field.

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    Looks to be a Sikorsky S-76

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    by the way, there are two major helicopter companies in China: Harbin (HAMC) and Changhe, below is the news from Changhe (CHAIC, 602 institute) in HKB
    HKB报道:六o二所提升科研能力攻关克难
    克难, HKB, 科研, 攻关, 能力
    本报讯 截至6月底,六○二所顺利实现任务目标“双过半”:重点工程如期实现重大节点,创造了直升机研制史上的多项 第一;某型机旋翼系统试验圆满成功,填补了直升机科研试验领域的一项空白;重点型号优化设计目标全面实现; 新型直升机总体技术方案顺利通过部级评审,工程发图全面推进;直八型机向民用市场拓展,适航取证工作全面展 开,燃油系统抗坠撞等一系列关键技术取得重大突破;科学组织、日夜奋战,保证了科工局下达的条件建设任务节 点,直升机科研呈现持续、健康、快速发展的良好态势。

    六○二所今年承担着多项重点工程,科研生产任务空前繁重,型号多、战线长、风险高、难度大,人力资源紧张。 全所上下以深入学习实践科学发展观为动力,牢记 “引领和推动直升机产业发展”的使命,以高度的责任感、使命感和紧迫感,周密计划精心组织,尊重科学化解风 险,创新管理提高效率,强力推进以高新工程为重点的各项任务,强化目标任务的顶层控制力、横向协调力和纵向 推动力。

    在千方百计保任务、保节点的同时,六○二所着眼于科学发展,主动作为,抢抓机遇,努力开创直升机产业发展新 局面。围绕中航直升机公司“三年改革建基业”目标,完善了研究所中长期发展规划和直升机型号、技术发展规划 ;加快国防重点实验室建设,加速先进技术预先研究;着力提升自主创新能力,成立了技术创新工作领导小组和办 公室,成立了总体气动、旋翼、结构、飞行控制四个技术创新小组,并着手开展工作;强力推进信息化建设,成立 了信息化工作领导小组和办公室,新一轮的信息化需求摸底、信息化发展战略和总体规划起草工作全面展开,管理 信息化建设取得了显著成效。这些举措的实施,提升了可持续发展能力,有力地促进和加速了直升机产业的科学发 展。
    basically talks about the progress this year for CHAIC.
    Talks about passing major milestones, They developed a new rotor system (I think this is to be used for either China's 10 ton helo project or a new variant of Z-8). It talks about a major project (probably Z-10) achieving all of the design goals, it talks about a new project (probably 10 tone project) passing the design review for the technical papers and ready to produce all the engineering blueprints and then a new civilian variant of Z-8 (AC-313)

    航空报

    新型13吨民用直升机将于年底首飞

    中航工业直升机公司组织研制的新型13吨民用直升机(暂定名AC313)将于年底首飞。这是记者从7月9日 在景德镇召开的AC313适航工作高层例会上得到的消息。

    AC313 是借鉴原有型号平台,采用最新成熟先进技术,按照国际通行的适航标准、采用与国际接轨的适航审定程序自主研 发的全新民用直升机。该型机采用先进的涡轴发动机、大功率传输能力的传动系统、球柔性复合材料旋翼系统以及 综合化的航电系统,使用维护性和舒适性改进,结构、系统安全性全面升级,能满足高温、高寒和山区等复杂地区 的使用要求。

    中航工业直升机公司大力推进中航工业集团公司“两融、三新、五化、万亿”发展战略,坚持市场化开拓,组织中 航工业旗下的昌飞公司、中航直升机所、发动机公司、系统公司等单位共同研制新型13吨民用直升机。参研单位 按照“共同投入、共担风险、共同开发、共享市场”的原则,积极投入,精心组织,强化协同设计,攻坚破难,加 速型号研制进程。

    目前,AC313型号研制已全面进入样机生产制造阶段,各项试验试飞准备工作全面铺开,计划2009年12 月实现首飞,预计2010年完成适航取证。

    为使AC313顺利走向民用市场,型号按照国际规范开展研制工作,同时按现行有效的国际适航标准取证。中航 工业集团公司成立了适航取证领导小组,与中国民用航空局适航审定司(TCB)建立了高层例会制度。在中国民 航局适航审定司领导下,民航华东地区管理局抽调精兵强将组成审查组,全方位参与该型机的适航审查工作,着力 协调解决适航关键技术;中国民航局适航审定司高度重视,多次到现场指导。经过适航专家和参研人员集智攻关, 立足国内,传动系统滑油失效的30分钟运转和燃油系统抗坠撞两项适航关键技术取得了突破性进展。这两项重大 适航关键技术的突破,不仅标志着AC313型号研制实现了里程碑意义的重大跨越,也为实现2010年完成适 航取证的目标奠定了良好基础,而且也是我国民用直升机研制历史上的重大突破。

    7月9日,AC313型号适航取证第二次高层例会在中航直升机所召开。中国民航局适航审定司副司长周凯旋、 中航工业直升机公司分党组书记郑强等领导出席会议。承研单位与适航审定系统有关专家就AC313型号适航取 证相关重大问题进行了讨论研究,对型号研制后续工作进行了部署。

    AC313作为13吨级中大型直升机,具有机舱容积大、运载能力强、改装适应范围广、航程远等特点,主要适 用于人员/货物运输、森林防火、抢险救灾、医疗救护、搜索救援、海上石油服务、旅游观光,公务飞行等航空领域。据市场 分析表明,预计到2020年,国内该吨位级直升机市场需求量将达到360架
    Another article from HKB
    The news on AC313, China's new 13 ton helo (a variant of Z-8). It says that China has requirement for 360 helicopters of this class by 2020. It says it's about to first fly in December 2009 and get flight certification by 2010.
    航空报
    本报讯 上半年,昌河飞机工业(集团)公司超额完成各项科研生产任务,顺利实现“双过半”。

    昌飞公司在完成上半年科研生产任务中亮点纷呈:重点型号产品按节点首飞,取得行业今年第一个如期首飞的佳绩 ;新机按节点优质交付总装;直八F100完成框板件组套任务和开铆;直八系列型号按节点提前完成铆装,交付 总装;直八系列直升机技术状态控制及构型控制工作进展顺利,完成了直八通用件和专用件清理;完成直八特殊改 装,交付海军国庆 60周年阅兵部队;重点保障工作进展顺利;S92直升机尾斜梁超额2架份铆接下架,S76直升机完成总装; A109、 S300、S333型直升机及波音项目等国际合作任务按计划推进。 (崔连君)
    Another article from HKB
    talks about production, a major project (not really sure what this is) had first flight in the first half of this year. Talks about Z-8F100 being delivered on time for final assembly. Talks about delivering special Z-8 for PLAN for the 60th anniversay review. Talks about final production for S-76 and producing the tails for S-92.

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    Re: Chinese-European transport helo project

    more on Mi-46 project
    ZHUKOVSKY, Moscow region. Aug 19 (Interfax-AVN) - The Russian Helicopters holding is working together with its Chinese partners as part of a project known as AHL (Advanced Heavy-Lifter), which is aimed at developing a helicopter with a takeoff weight of 35 tonnes.

    "Today, our Chinese partners and ourselves have completed our analysis of the market for such a helicopter. We are exploring the technical parameters of this aircraft in detail and laying the groundwork for this project's technological and economic analysis," Russian Helicopters General Director Andrei Shibitov told Interfax-AVN on the sidelines of the MAKS 2009 air show in Zhukovsky outside Moscow on Wednesday.

    Research continues as part of this project, and its results are expected to be announced in autumn, he said.
    to put in perspective
    Mi-6, maximum 42 ton, 12 ton payload
    Mi-26, maximum 56 ton, 20 ton payload
    CH-47, maximum 23 ton, 12 ton payload

    Looks like this will be probably have a payload of 12 to 20 tons

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    Re: Chinese-European transport helo project

    actually this is kind of off topic but i have being wondering why didn't china revesrse engineer the black hawk back in the days and improved it by now?

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    That question has been asked on three different message boards, and the answer is simply because China didn't have the industrial capabilities to do it.

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    Also, nowadays there are more advanced designs available such as the EC-225 with comparable performance to the S-70.

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