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This is a discussion on Chinese Aviation Industry within the Air Force forums, part of the China Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by Preux Slightly better, but still not quite - the best figure I've seen for the Il-96 in ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preux View Post
    Slightly better, but still not quite - the best figure I've seen for the Il-96 in cargo configuration still has her doing some 4,500-5,000 km, which is still a bit extreme for the Chinese domestic market alone, to say nothing of the viability of large scale cargo flight within China itself.
    But it's a nice start. I can see flights of agricultural cargo from Urumqi (West of China) to Nanchang (East of China more inland) and vice versa. Also with flights to Singapore and Australia as far as important vital cargo.

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    IL-96 is a non-starter. It is not competitive. just like A340 is not competitive.
    while may be some stuff from Il96M could conceivably make it into new airplane. the future of long haul is with big twins like A350 and 777 strech.
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    ARJ21 Airworthiness Forensics Making Constant Progress

    On May 31, ARJ21-700 airworthiness forensics management meeting was held in Xi’an, during which the general designer made a report to the Review Group on issues like the project progress, TIA’s left-over work state, and preparations for coordinating FAA-CAAC site software inspection, etc.



    According to the Flight Test Center, since the formal entry into TIA verification test flights, ARJ21 aircrafts have made complete success in the crosswind, natural icing, and airspeed calibration bureau verification test flights, etc.

    Meanwhile, AVIC recently conferred the Airlines Service Golden Award on the main principals and outstanding contributors of the ARJ21-700 project, including Zhao Peng, vice president of the Flight Test Center and chief test pilot for the ARJ21-700 project, Zhao Jie, general designer of test flights, and Qiang Baoping, chief engineer and deputy director of the Intensity Department.(Prince)
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    CATIC - Guyana Y-12II Project Completed

    Recently, the conclusion ceremony of Guyana Y-12 II air and ground staff modification & training as well as the spare-parts handover ceremony aided by China’s Ministry of Defense were held in Timai-He Air Force Base, Guyana.



    The Chief of Staff of Guyanese Defense Force (***) claimed, thanks to Chinese government’s support and CATIC’s efforts, the *** air and ground staff’s ability of operating and maintaining Y-12 II aircrafts was substantially promoted through this project.

    In 2011, CATIC signed with Chinese Defense Ministry and the Guyanese Government in succession the agreements of modifying and training Y-12 II air and ground staff and of supplying spare parts on the strength of Chinese government aids to Guyana. All departments of CATIC fully cooperated to provide rapid, comprehensive support for Guyana, thus ensuring the smooth progress of training and successful handover of spare parts. Finally, there were 23 ground staff and five pilots successfully completing both theoretical and practical training.
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    Eurocopter EC175 Nears Certification

    The Eurocopter EC175 (also Avicopter Z-15) is a 7-ton class medium utility helicopter being developed by Eurocopter and AVIC. The Eurocopter EC175 is making progress toward certification. Transport Canada has certified Pratt & Whitney Canada’s 1,775-shp PT6C-67E turboshaft. Meanwhile, the airframer has revealed the precise mtow for the helicopter: 16,535 pounds, for a useful load of 7,271 pounds.



    The radius of action, for two pilots and up to 16 passengers, is given as 135 nm (oil and gas configuration, JAR OPS 3, fuel reserves 30 minutes plus 10-percent contingency fuel, ISA conditions).
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    Re: Chinese Aviation Industry

    Hi Freedom,

    The photo of the ARJ-21; with "COMAC" painted on the side, in blue... (plane in white, with exception of the blue tail).

    Is that a real photo or a CGI?

    Reason for asking being that I always have the impression that the majority of Chinese designed plane have rather boring or messy paint schemes; then again how many Chinese planes have I seen ... :P. Just wondering if the above photo is a company (COMAC) produced CGI for marketing purposes, or is this their new paint schemes.

    PS. I like that paint scheme. Looks very clean and simple.

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    One hint: it looks simple, clean, and modern. So the answer is that it's a fan made CGI.

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    So ec175, with PWC engines is actually a 7,5 ton helicopter now, nice. It remains to be seen if z15, with chinese/turbomeca engines will retain that mtow value or will change it. for worse? or even push it to 8 ton territory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovian View Post
    Hi Freedom,

    The photo of the ARJ-21; with "COMAC" painted on the side, in blue... (plane in white, with exception of the blue tail).

    Is that a real photo or a CGI?

    Reason for asking being that I always have the impression that the majority of Chinese designed plane have rather boring or messy paint schemes; then again how many Chinese planes have I seen ... :P. Just wondering if the above photo is a company (COMAC) produced CGI for marketing purposes, or is this their new paint schemes.

    PS. I like that paint scheme. Looks very clean and simple.
    It looks real to me. It's possible COMAC have repainted one of the older prototypes to a new paint scheme and this could be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmmwv View Post
    One hint: it looks simple, clean, and modern. So the answer is that it's a fan made CGI.
    well its a rare angle

    and it surprised me also quite a bit with how nice it looked from that angle
    made me scroll back once to make sure it was the ARJ-21

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    Re: Chinese Aviation Industry

    IMO a CG !

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmmwv View Post
    One hint: it looks simple, clean, and modern. So the answer is that it's a fan made CGI.

    hmmm... that's disappointing

    ... at least it is a nice CG.

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    Re: Chinese Aviation Industry

    Well here's a similar scheme but not close up.




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    Just a maybe funny question but after the J-20 2001 has flown out to Xi'an-Yanglian, 2002 is already quite an "old" news and no longer really exciting and SAC still doen't get the pants off to show their J-XYZ .... so "WHAT" will be the next mayor unveiling this year we could expect ... and most of all "WHEN" ????

    - Y-20 or a smaller tactical transport
    - Y-7AEW
    - J-16, J-17, J-19 from SAC
    - J-21 from CAC
    - JH-XX
    - a new carrier type
    - Q-6


    So what and when ??

    Deino
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deino View Post
    Just a maybe funny question but after the J-20 2001 has flown out to Xi'an-Yanglian, 2002 is already quite an "old" news and no longer really exciting and SAC still doen't get the pants off to show their J-XYZ .... so "WHAT" will be the next mayor unveiling this year we could expect ... and most of all "WHEN" ????

    - Y-20 or a smaller tactical transport
    - Y-7AEW
    - J-16, J-17, J-19 from SAC
    - J-21 from CAC
    - JH-XX
    - a new carrier type
    - Q-6


    So what and when ??

    Deino
    I bet we'll see/hear Y20 & J21 fly this year around the last 3 months.
    J16 will likely be revealed but won't be much different from J11BS anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deino View Post
    Just a maybe funny question but after the J-20 2001 has flown out to Xi'an-Yanglian, 2002 is already quite an "old" news and no longer really exciting and SAC still doen't get the pants off to show their J-XYZ .... so "WHAT" will be the next mayor unveiling this year we could expect ... and most of all "WHEN" ????

    - Y-20 or a smaller tactical transport
    - Y-7AEW
    - J-16, J-17, J-19 from SAC
    - J-21 from CAC
    - JH-XX
    - a new carrier type
    - Q-6


    So what and when ??

    Deino
    Y-20 is not going to be flying this year I don't think/

    we may get more stuff from C919 however.

    there is no "Small tactical transport". it is covered by Y-9 or whatever you may call it.
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    I agree, if final assembly is done earlier this year as reported then Y20 will not fly until next year. Shanxi may finally have enough production capacity to start making transport version of the Y9 platform for PLAAF. Comac may finish the assembly of the first C919 prototype by the end of the year or early next year, ready for a 2014 maiden flight. Whether the Y7 AEW is a radar testbed or actual carrier AEW prototype remains to be seen.
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