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swoosh · 09-12-2008

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Originally Posted by AssassinsMace

Before I got access to the internet, the only info I got on Chinese military was from Western news sources which basically was none. I remember reading that the PLAAF was falling apart because their fighter airframes were old. When I got access to the internet, it was like seeing a whole new world. It's no different today and most Westerners think nothing of China's military except to used to scare Congress into more money for the military. But generally Westerners believe China still has a Korean War era military. Even in other military forums, there are still people who believe that. But even people who don't still are at least three years behind on Chinese hardware. The worst still believe the 052C is fake and doesn't exist. Before the Wen Ho Lee scandal, I'd hear all the time people making statements like, "If China ever got 'the bomb,' they would start World War III." Even Richard Fisher is the last to know. How much info in his reports have been circulating on the internet long before he gives the big reveal to the American public? Even American politicians are ignorant. A couple years ago, a congressional delegation made their first trip to China. They obviously had a primitive view of China because when they returned from their trip, they sounded alarm bells that China was a threat. Why? Not because they were treated unfairly or saw an aggressive display of the military. It was because they visited Beijing and Shanghai and saw how modern it was. What did they expect? People living in straw huts along dirt roads?

that's good if they underestimate China's military. Hide your skill and bide your time.

tphuang · 08-25-2009

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2008年11月初的西北大漠，朔风凛冽，风中摇曳的芨芨草发出尖厉的呼哨声。中国空空导弹研究院某型号试验队年轻的科技人员们正表情肃穆地遥望天际，等待着一个他们期待已久的时刻。某型号副总设计师贾晓洪几次下意识地低头看表，只见秒针从容不迫地一格格移动，他感到此刻时间似乎过得太慢。

　　这一时刻终于到了：5、4、3、2、1，发射！导弹如同一枚利箭，硕长的弹体转瞬划出一道白色的曲线直刺苍穹！一位总部来的领导仰望蓝天情不自禁地脱口而出：“没想到导弹还能这么飞，震撼！”
　　新一代空空导弹先进的性能标志着我国成为世界上能研制具有抗干扰、数字化空空导弹的少数几个国家之一。 40岁的某型号空空导弹副总设计师贾晓洪研究员就是创造这一辉煌业绩的关键技术设计者，也是我国空空导弹事业长足进步的见证人。大家还在欢呼雀跃，贾晓洪已然悄悄擦去了眼角激动的泪水。对贾晓洪来说，这是人生的幸福时刻。美国著名心理学家，被称为“人本心理学精神之父”的马斯洛在他著名的《需要层次论》中写道，一个人只有在事业的成功中才能获得人生的“ 高峰体验”。那一刻，贾晓洪真实地体验到了这种人生的“高峰体验”，感受到了一名空空导弹研制者的光荣和艰辛。航空航天港.

Talks about the success of a new AAM in November of 2008. It's said to be digital and has ECCM. That doesn't sound too impressive, but this is apparently PL-10 based on this article below, which says that this is an infrared AAM and PL-10 is pretty much the only new generation AAM that uses infrared seeker.

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中国文明网　ÖÐ¹úÎÄÃ÷Íø 2008-11-19 来源: 光明日报
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搞科研就要玩命干

机遇总是垂青有准备的人。国际风云不断变幻，高科技战争崭露头角，“落后就要挨打！”人民军队急需手中利器。参加工作不久，贾晓洪就赶上了国家某重点型号空空导弹研制工作的正式开展。他由于平时表现突出，被选中参加型号研制工作。在随后的几年里，贾晓洪的名字就与一个个技术问题联系在了一起。

在承担某红外空空导弹型号研制任务期间，贾晓洪负责导弹数字跟踪板的技术攻关工作，他创造性地采用了当时信息处理领域最新推出的DSP微处理器。
这一技术的应用，当时在国内才处于研究阶段，在国外只是进入试验阶段。但贾晓洪通过充分论证，认为这一技术必将成熟，也必将成为提升空空导弹性能的有效手段。他顶住压力，决心做这个领域第一个吃螃蟹的人。于是，贾晓洪和科研团队一起，在不到一年的时间内完成了该型导弹由模拟向数字控制体制的转变，并实现了导弹先进的抗干扰能力。用专家们的话来说：这一技术的突破，标志着中国空空导弹研究跨入了世界先进行列，人民空军又拥有了一种保卫祖国领空的有力武器。

后来，贾晓洪承担该型导弹制导舱主任设计师，负责导弹制导控制系统总体设计、制导回路数学建模等工作，并多次负责完成包括跟踪制导一体化技术在内的技术攻关。

说起来短短几行字的任务，落实到工程研制中，却是无数个不眠之夜，无数次全心投入。特别是在解决该型导弹弹道不稳定现象的过程中，贾晓洪通过充分论证，创造性地采用新的数字控制算法，保障了该型导弹后续试验顺利完成。空中定型试验5发5中的优异成绩，令在场专家和试验队领导禁不住高呼“震撼”，泪流满面。

近年来，贾晓洪又在某新型导弹制导系统演示验证项目中担任制导系统负责人。这期间，他提出制导算法改进设计思想，使导弹脱靶量偏大问题得到有效解决，保证了后续空中演示验证靶试的圆满完成。

同志们都说，越是难题，越能激发贾晓洪玩命干的劲头。2005年9月，贾晓洪开始担任国家某重点型号新一代红外空空导弹副总设计师，并担任国家某精确制导跨部预研项目课题负责人。担任型号副总设计师后，贾晓洪每天需要处理的事情越来越多。作为技术上的领军者，他奔波于各个技术攻关现场，深入了解工作进度，面对面指导技术人员工作，和他们一道分析影响问题、寻找办法；作为工作的全局负责人，他还要安排工作进程、分析技术难点、协调攻关任务……他开始“玩命”了，创造出带领团队连续攻关两年，长期实行611工作制（每周工作6天, 每天工作11小时）的“惊人纪录”。在贾晓洪的带领下，整个团队的工作激情无以克制，什么时候完成了任务，什么时候大家相拥高呼，一醉方休。贾晓洪说，他们长年累月“泡”在任务上，开始爱人还有所怨言，不太理解，后来看到领导的关怀和社会的期盼，想到国家的急需，现在也完全支持了。

荣誉不是勇士前进的终点。在最近一次试验庆功会上，贾晓洪动情地对同事们说，“形势逼人，国家急需，回去以后我们要继续玩命干！”一句简单的“玩命干”，饱含了多少豪情壮志！

百尺竿头再攀登

从设计员到班组长，再到研究室副主任、研究所副所长和党支部书记，贾晓洪这一路走来一步一个脚印。但用他的话来说，一个人获得荣誉不难，难的是带领一个团队走向成功。随着中国空空导弹事业的发展，科研队伍也逐渐壮大，制导控制系统研究所从原来的几十人发展成如今120多人、拥有导航、制导、控制及仿真等国家高精尖技术的专业研究所，如何带领这样一支队伍创造辉煌，对贾晓洪来说确实是个考验。

促进专业发展、提升设计能力永远是第一位的。在不到3年的时间里，他主持完成了多项制导舱科研技改建设项目，包括红外数字化制导舱试验室建设、制导舱静态测试系统改造、弹载软件开发平台建设以及制导舱动态测试平台研制等，深化了红外导弹制导控制系统专业研究手段的建设和发展。

他还大力开展人才梯队建设，实现团队可持续发展。在他的关注下，研究所的青年职工在各个领域都取得了不错的成绩，“巾帼建功标兵”、“青年岗位成才标兵”、“模范青年”纷纷涌现，有效地保障了研究所科研任务的完成，为此，制导控制系统研究所连续3年荣获研究院“先进单位”、“优胜党支部”等荣誉称号。他们在班组建设方面也取得了不俗的成绩，2008年“河南省五一劳动奖状”、全国优秀QC质量管理小组成果奖，这些成绩的取得都是对贾晓洪努力的肯定。

不懈的努力造就成功，无私的奉献谱写辉煌。贾晓洪在中国空空导弹的铸箭队伍里只是繁星中的一点，但这颗星，折射出中国空空导弹30年来蓬勃发展的不凡篇章。目前，他正带领团队奋战在国家重点型号的研制工作中，面对艰巨的任务，贾晓洪的言语充满豪迈：“乘风破浪会有时，百尺竿头再攀登！” （记者马晓毅通讯员马明）

tphuang · 11-15-2009

Could this really be it?
The first picture looks a little like its PSed, but it was posted by a pretty reliable source, so I tend to give it more credence.

Bltizo · 11-15-2009

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Originally Posted by tphuang

Could this really be it?
The first picture looks a little like its PSed, but it was posted by a pretty reliable source, so I tend to give it more credence.

I think even reliable sources get it wrong sometimes.

The first picture with the J-8 is almost definitely photoshopped I think. The missiles nozzles still retain the blue-ish tone that we've seen in the most well known photo of the PL-10, and the missile on the left wing, if you zoom in on it has a "cut" between the front and back to accomodate for the fact that the wheel is in front of it from the viewer's direction.
there's also the fact that both the missiles seem to be equipped on the plane at the same angle with the exact same markings..
I hope the picture is real but for me it's not that convincing.

The picture of the missiles nozzle is interesting though.

AssassinsMace · 11-15-2009

The first pic was seen when the PL-10 speculation first surfaced. I have it in my files dated Jan. 03, 2008. Someone charged it was PSed back then.

Hyperwarp · 11-15-2009

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Originally Posted by tphuang

Could this really be it?
The first picture looks a little like its PSed, but it was posted by a pretty reliable source, so I tend to give it more credence.

The second looks real......as for the 1st.....check this out.....

Key Publishing Ltd Aviation Forums - View Single Post - Photoshop debunk thread

RedMercury · 11-15-2009

If it is a reliable source and it looks photoshopped, it probably is, but the idea the source is conveying is probably real, he or she just didn't have a handy photo on hand.

Ambivalent · 11-20-2009

Hmm, the rear control surfaces of the missiles under the wing in the first photo are forward of the exhaust maybe 75-100mm, much as these controls are on A-Darter. In the second photo, the rear controls are right at the exhaust much as they are on AIM-9X. The shape of the nozzle area bears some resemblance to AIM-9X as well.

Hyperwarp · 11-20-2009

2nd Image posted by 'tphuang' : Link-1

Compared to -

AIM-9X : Link-1, Link-2

Compared to -

A-Darter : Link-1

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Yup, the second image looks allot like the AIM-9X nozzle.

tphuang · 12-19-2009

I guess this is the first production batch of PL-12. One of those never before seen pictures. Not really sure how many are in there. Looks like they are placed in racks of 3 (one on top and 2 on bottom). I'm guessing around 30.

montyp165 · 12-19-2009

It might be interesting to compare the R-73's rear nozzles with the pic also, to get a better perspective.

carandol · 12-19-2009

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Originally Posted by tphuang

I guess this is the first production batch of PL-12. One of those never before seen pictures. Not really sure how many are in there. Looks like they are placed in racks of 3 (one on top and 2 on bottom). I'm guessing around 30.

Assuming the red items are radomes, what are the striped antennas running down the axis of the missile (assuming two on the opposite side)? Fuze antennas?

pla101prc · 12-19-2009

howcome China doesnt develop long range AAM's with over 100 km range?

plawolf · 12-19-2009

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Originally Posted by carandol

Assuming the red items are radomes, what are the striped antennas running down the axis of the missile (assuming two on the opposite side)? Fuze antennas?

The red bits are protective covers to protect the radome datalink antenna from damage during storage and transportation.

montyp165 · 12-19-2009

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Originally Posted by pla101prc

howcome China doesnt develop long range AAM's with over 100 km range?

The latest versions of the PL-12 are about that range or better.

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