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From Iran or Vietnam
Since these countries lack the spare parts, by purchasing at least 1 or 2 CH-47, China could improve airlift capabilities or possibly research to self develop a transport helicopter based on its design.
Or maybe China can even get them for free from Iran in exchange with China's arms deal to Iran.

mauler88

sorry buddy that'll never happend. here are several reasons

1. 1 or 2 CH-47 won't make any real difference in lift capabilities for china.

2. China don't have a storehouse load of CH-47 spare parts, it has trouble keeping it's Black-hawk operational as it is. would not intergrate well with Proven Russian and chinese made Coptors.

3. just because it's from U.S dosen't mean it's = GOOD. why would china want some beat up CH-47 from Iran or Viet. when they can build brand new Copies of MI series of Russian Coptors or even buy direct from Russia. which they do have WAREHOUSE full of spare parts.

4. CH-47 is very old even for the US military, been around since the 60s not to mention it keeps getting shot down in IRAQ, AFGHAN. i am sure with china's new found cash it has better fish to fry.

Hello I just don’t think this is very realistic for china.

1. It is common knowlodge that china acquired some BlackHawks prior to 89. but it has trouble keeping those in operational shape because of lack of spare parts after 89. it is safe to assume it will not have any spare parts for CH-47.


2. 1 or 2 CH-47 will never make any real difference in the airlift need of the PLA . it is more likely any acquired CH-47 will be taken apart and examined to help china understand how to build it’s own heavy lift helicopters.

3. China now uses many proven Soviet/Russian Helicopters designs also many Chinese built Russian MI series Helicopters. It simply does not need the CH-47. you have to understand mixing many different military equipment from different country is a very bad idea. It is not cost effective and also creates a logistical nightmare.

Skywatcher

The Mi-26 Halo seems like a better choice, as its a more modern design if nothing else.

Besides, China has some old Mi heavy lift helicopters, though they didn't see the need to reverse engineer them, apparently.

bd popeye

mauler88, The fact that the Chinook is still around after nearly 50 years is a testimony to the quality of it's enginnering.

The US Army has been and is purchasing new CH-47s.

http://philadelphia.bizjournals.com/...l?jst=cn_cn_lk

I know that the US Army has purchased more a few months ago but I cannot find the article.

Now..the posibility of China buying a Chinook from Vietnam or any other country to study the aircraft would be falwed in my opinion. Thos Chinooks in Vietnam are close to 40 years old and would only give the Chinese a basic idea about building a heavy lift helo.

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mauler88

well all i am saying is china is better off sticking with the Russian/Soviet stuff.

bd popeye

I agree. The US is never going to sell China any spare parts . Might as well stick with the Russians until the Chinese develop their own heavy lift helo.

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Sczepan

for transport helos:
take the russian stuff or produce your own,

but in combination with Iran there is another nice deal:

Iran is producing the Huey-Cobra Attack-Heli (see http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...ad.php?t=63972 post #12) and need fighters,
China is producing fighters (including the engines) and need much more Attack Helicopters,
why not exchange both?

tphuang

China has no need for a light weight attack heli like Cobra. Z-10 is much better than the version that Iran has. And besides, the only platform they really really need right now and can't produce are large transports and large helicopter. They have to rely on the Russians for it. Personally, I'd like to see something like CH-47 or EH-101, but they can't get those. They already have the ToT for Mi-17 and also can produce the more expensive Z-8F. Outside of that, there were talks of Mi-38.

In4ser

Actually the Chinook was flown in China in 1987 for 1 month demostration.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:C...in_flight.jpeg

cooker

heavy helicopter is not something urge for china at the moment while money could be better spend for more WZ-10 gunship and Z-8F median transport hel.

sumdud

It would be nice to see something in the class in PLA service for sure, but China's helicopter industry is small and could not focus on heavy helicopters like CH-47s at the point, so it's not really useful to get one for research now. And of course, you will have America screaming.....

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美國友邦

Actually from reliable sources I've heard, China did try to negotiate with Boeing to purchase of the Chinook, however it was disapproved by the US goverment, cosidering it to be a threat if tthe Chinese use it to transport troops across the Taiwan-Straits.

美國友邦

Z-10 is good, but no match compared to the Apache. Once the Z-10 enters service, US may deliver the Apache to Taiwan, wasting all the effort spend on time and research.

peterc

I don't believe it would be a waste since the China doesn't have any modern indigenous attack helo. China need to start building its own attack helo, even though it might be inferior (not by much). IMHO, it a great first step.

Would China use the Varag with this attack helicopter? hence the slow progress on the carrier refit programme. They may be timing to have them both put in service at the same time.

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King_Comm

What? Why would Taiwan possessing Apaches negate the effectiveness of Z-10? Does the Apache have the magical power of making other helicopters useless?