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China plan to launched small resusable space shutter with next 3 year.
the plan first mention by the US way back in mid-90's

Pointblank

I know I speak for the rest of us, but source?

maozedong

where the source come from? do you mean the plan will start within 3 year or ....
can you tell the detail? I never heard this news from all way.
this is the source only I found today,it's newest:
中新社12月1日电 据香港《文汇报》报道，资深航天专家30日接受该报访问时透露，中国不可能再重蹈美国研发“航天飞机”(又 称穿梭机)之覆辙，已启动研发第一代可重复使用运载器，它将是超越美国“航天飞机”水平的航天运输系统，但 尚不能达到“空天飞机”的技术水准。预计中国第一代可重复使用运载器可在2020年左右研制成 功。同时， 中国科研人员也已有意图开展空天飞机的研究。
the articles come with the inmage pic of the chines space shutter,but dosn't say it launched with 3 years,maybe around the year 2020.
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/impo.../14543673.html

another source:
香港文汇报报道，中国权威航天专家、中科院院士庄逢甘透露，中国一直在进行空天飞行器（又即航空航天飞行器 ，能自由往返于深空与大气层之间并重复使用的飞行器）的研发，但目前并未明确出台时间表。另有消息称，隶属 于中国航空工业第一集团的西安阎良强度试验基地，预计将在“十一五”期间承担空天飞行器的试验任务。这意味 着2010年以前，中国或将进行空天飞行器的试验。
http://bbs.news.sina.com.cn/tablefor...8098&tbid=3567
also not sure with 3 years.

bd popeye

I think you meant Space Shuttle not shutter.. Anyway could you post a link to the specfic picture of this space craft. I did not see a picture on either of those links you listed. I do not read what ever lanuguage those pages are posted in.

Also how about a better translation? Thanks!

It is difficult to believe that China would have some sort space shuttle nearly ready to launch after only three manned missions and only one space proble leaving Earths orbit.

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maozedong

one of those links used to have image pictures,I don't know way the web page deleted the pic.
for translation,the only way you can do to copy those links to Google translate.
so many speculations, some guess space shuttle,some guess space sutter.
this is another link, but the image is not the pic what I use to see in the link.
http://mil.news.sohu.com/20071213/n254057061.shtml

dh19440113

That little thing can be interpreted many different ways, as being discussed in the "look what is under this H6" thread.

Through 20 years of use, the US space shuttle has proven to be high maintainance and prone to failure after significant use. Soviet abandon its program after one launch, why would the chinese space program travel such an unsatisfactory path when NASA and Ruscosmo are developing ejectable space Capsole that are safer and more reliable.

maozedong

this opinion exactly is the H.K 1/2 chines official newspaper reported that the space expert talking.
as you pointed out above, some other speculation for this little thing,such as China will launch little space sutter with 3 years,and China research secret space weapon....we just take a look latter.

Finn McCool

This is neither here nor there but personally I believe that the ideal spacecraft for any of the major space powers to ultimately develop would be a craft that never even entered the Earth's atmosphere and could be used for trips to the Moon, etc. and would be connected to Earth by a Soyuz-type craft. A space shuttle is not really a step down that road. China would be better served by producing a capsule-based vehicle and a space station. In other words it should go the route both the Russians and the Americans have followed but without the costly space-shuttle diversion.

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bd popeye

Thiis is possibly one of the most ludricous statements I have ever read in this forum. It is the most ludricous I have ever read about the US Space Shuttle program.

Space travel is a high risk venture. Period. Space craft of anytype require high maintainence. Period. The US Space shuttle program has had two disasters. When you consider that NASA has a 37% failure rate built into the shuttle program you can see how highly succesful it really is. How many shuttle launches do you suspose NASA has made? One hundred and eighteen.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sh...list_main.html

The astronauts on the Space Shuttle have performed many sicentific & Military missions. Plus the countless missions to the International Space station.

The Russian abandoned their shuttle program because they did not have the money to maintain the program.

The rest of the entire world has not performed as many manned space missions as the US NASA Space Shuttle program.

Russia is second with 97 total missions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_spaceflights

The one and only space flight of the Russian space shuttle "Buran" was unmanned.

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This is not a ludicrous claim at all. The NASA shuttle program is a far cry from perfect. There is a lot of room for improvement and desire for. If you can not accept that then either you are blind or just full of it.

BTW you don't seem to know how to spell ludicrous.

Finn McCool

Obviously the Space Shuttle has been reliable for the task of servicing orbital objects and doing more menial tasks like repair jobs, etc. but its very nature has limited NASA to those mundane sort of missions. Only now is it really getting back into the business of manned space exploration. Like I said, it is advisable to leave more mundane tasks like repairing satillites, etc to robots.

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crobato

We need to keep the atmosphere of discussion calm and not get hot about the topic, especially when there is nothing to it.

The Space Shuttle was a successful program at first, but now its showing its age and it has become indeed high maintenance and unsafe. That information was presented to the Congress. For a "resuable" vehicle, everytime it flies, it costs more than a flight with a non-resuable vehicle, and cost simply defeats the purpose of having a resuable vehicle.

There is an inherent problem to that concept. The Space Shuttle is big, and you need a big rocket booster to boost it to space. And the bigger the boosters are, the more costlier they become. Big loads also means that the vehicle cannot orbit as high as you wish with what you can do with a smaller payload on the same big booster.

Frankly I am surprised why China would try to develop a space shuttle other than the all too frequent "me-tooism"; I got to have an aircraft carrier because someone has one, I got to have a boomer because somone has one. And so on and on. Frankly its not just cost effective.

But there is a bizarre twist to this. The space shuttle concept was in fact, the brainchild of Dr. Tsien, the Chinese rocket scientist that help founded NASA and the Jet Propulsion Laboratories, and became the target of McCarthyist hearings. The McCarthyism became self fulfilling when dejected, he defected to the PRC, to launch its space program. He was the inventor of the Titan boosters among other things.

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report that China is building another launch pad in hainan island,could it possible link to the program?
with space shutter,one need bigger lunched pad,new logistic support and third China space agency like the NASA would like to recover the empty rocket booster to be reuse for next mission.

AssassinsMace

Actually Dr. Tsien was deported back to China charged as a communist spy because one reason was as a student at Cal Poly, he attended a class where another student there later in life married someone who was charged as having communist sympathies. Dr Tsien never associated with this person. Just being in the same class with someone who later in life after college married a "communist" got him deported. But that was just an excuse. The real reason is why there's no one in the US except the well-read that know that one of the founders of the US Space Program and the Jet Propulsion Laboratory was Chinese.

maozedong

In fact,The US is for national security purpose and just wrong, but that is the Cold War era, and China has a lot of things wrong.
return the topic of the space shuttle ,I know that the US was prepared to abandon space shuttle, a few years ago, President Bush announced a new space program, including: the advanced design of the new spacecraft, return to the moon and so on.
Undoubtedly, the space shuttle is successful, but it has also exposed the shortcomings. why the US is still using it? I think, is because the US no other spacecraft can replace it, and there are cost-effective , the manufacture of such space shuttles, the money spent is astronomical, how suddenly give up?
Believe that the US had been in the research of a new generation of spacecraft. Then China? It doesn't necessarily go the way of US, but I want to stress that doesn't mean that Chinese people smart,just learn the experience of others, but also, the new generation of spacecraft, certainly in turn, the US invented.
This principle, used in the manufacturing of the aircraft carrier is the same, China will not necessarily use steam catapult, and to use the magnetic catapult, but the time, later than the US for many years.