China Flanker Thread II

[A.Man]

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[Roger604]

There is a new photo of J-15 on huitong's blog. You can clearly identify the AESA vents. There is also a BBS report that J-10B, J-11BS and J-15 will all have AESA. The fact that so much information is coming out suggests these three will also be in service in the near future.


Regarding the whole copying of Su-27 thing. J-11B probably won't make China pass the "200 licensed Su-27SK" point, but J-11BS is essentially an upgraded Su-30MKK and J-15 is essentially an upgraded Su-33. The basic design of the airframe comes from the Russians but everything else is indigenous.

[cloyce]

There is a new photo of J-15 on huitong's blog. You can clearly identify the AESA vents. There is also a BBS report that J-10B, J-11BS and J-15 will all have AESA. The fact that so much information is coming out suggests these three will also be in service in the near future.


Regarding the whole copying of Su-27 thing. J-11B probably won't make China pass the "200 licensed Su-27SK" point, but J-11BS is essentially an upgraded Su-30MKK and J-15 is essentially an upgraded Su-33. The basic design of the airframe comes from the Russians but everything else is indigenous.

By huitong's blog you mean this?
China Defense Blog: July 2010

Sorry, but I don't see any AESA vents.
Usually, it's placed on the other side of the plane, so we don't see it.


Regarding Su-27 copyright thing. It will be criminal to national security if SAC stops building J-11B at 200 units just because russians are unhappy of it.

[Orthan]

By huitong's blog you mean this?
China Defense Blog: July 2010

uh...i thought huitong blog was this:Chinese Military Aviation

[cloyce]

uh...i thought huitong blog was this:Chinese Military Aviation

Thanks.

But, the picture he used is the same we have here.

Again,there is no AESA cooling gate on sight.


Hope some new picture come out.

[ReneDad]

I doubt that explanation. If secrecy were a priority, they would have arranged a demonstration in some rural area and taken the leaders to that location instead. They wanted to show off this plane on purpose.

It's just a speculation. But in China, I doubt there is someone who dares to suggest the dictator and his clique like this: "Sir, for national security's sake, would you like to move your fat ass to some barn of a village via a bumpy village road to watch the show?"

Especially there is not any real national security concerns involved in this secrecy matter. The secrecy is just becasue of some communist routine nonsense. The concept of "national secrecy" includes not only planes and missiles, but also such trifles like the brands of toilets used in Hu's and Brezhnev's bathroom. How much national security would be harmed if China released the photos like most of other countries when the plane made its maiden flight?

[latenlazy]

It's just a speculation. But in China, I doubt there is someone who dares to suggest the dictator and his clique like this: "Sir, for national security's sake, would you like to move your fat ass to some barn of a village via a bumpy village road to watch the show?"

Especially there is not any real national security concerns involved in this secrecy matter. The secrecy is just becasue of some communist routine nonsense. The concept of "national secrecy" includes not only planes and missiles, but also such trifles like the brands of toilets used in Hu's and Brezhnev's bathroom. How much national security would be harmed if China released the photos like most of other countries when the plane made its maiden flight?

You seem to have either a very limited or skewed knowledge of the Politburo.

[siegecrossbow]

It's just a speculation. But in China, I doubt there is someone who dares to suggest the dictator and his clique like this: "Sir, for national security's sake, would you like to move your fat ass to some barn of a village via a bumpy village road to watch the show?"

Especially there is not any real national security concerns involved in this secrecy matter. The secrecy is just becasue of some communist routine nonsense. The concept of "national secrecy" includes not only planes and missiles, but also such trifles like the brands of toilets used in Hu's and Brezhnev's bathroom. How much national security would be harmed if China released the photos like most of other countries when the plane made its maiden flight?

When has the brand of the toilet used by Hu been national security? Have you done research in the subject area?

Speaking of secrecy, I believe that the United States kept the SR-71 and the F-117 Nighthawks secrets too (going as far as spawning the UFO lore to keep cover). Keeping your military strength/capabilities a secret is a great way to deter foreign aggression for ALL nations.

[dingyibvs]

You seem to have either a very limited or skewed knowledge of the Politburo.

Yea, what he said sounds like what someone during the cold war would say.

[challenge]

Thanks.

But, the picture he used is the same we have here.

Again,there is no AESA cooling gate on sight.


Hope some new picture come out.

there's no mention of AESA,likely that Chinese technician will adapt similiar approach by the US,such as developent of APG-63(V5) or rathyeon RACR. both radar design as a "drop-in" reaplacing the mechanical radar with AESA antenna,while retaining much of original LRU.this reduce cost and risk.

[gullible]

j11-b with taihang...

[Deino]

And a better one ...

[siegecrossbow]

Quick question regarding the taihang - does Taihang have the ejector nozzle (nozzle with movable petals for thrust adjustment) or non-adjustable nozzles? It is not obvious from the photograph.

[Quickie]

Quick question regarding the taihang - does Taihang have the ejector nozzle (nozzle with movable petals for thrust adjustment) or non-adjustable nozzles? It is not obvious from the photograph.

Yes, they do have the adjustable petals. Some pictures of the Tai Hang engine even show them to have 2 sets of petals, one within the other. However these recent pictures seem to show them to have one set of petals.

[Orthan]

here is a more up close picture of J-15. At least it looks real to me.
[qimg]http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9193/j15july10.jpg[/qimg]

what are those engines?