China Flanker Thread II

[HKSDU]

海外媒体关于中国空军的新型战机又传出消息，称中国开始生产歼11B战斗机。

日前加拿大《汉和防务评论》称，中国即将开始批量生产型号为歼-11B的新型战斗机。报道称，这种俄制苏-27SK战斗机的改良型号已换装中国国产的雷达，并已成功进行PL-12空空导弹同时攻击两个目标的试验。现在已有两架歼-11B成功试飞。

汉和称根据俄罗斯消息来源，自2006年11月以来，中国向俄罗斯订购了若干批OLS-31E光电（O/E ）探测系统零配件。汉和主编平可夫认为，中国大批进口OLS-31E散件，说明中国已开始自行组装OLS-31E，用于中国即将进行的歼-11B战斗机生产。

汉和还称俄罗斯NIIP雷达设计局总设计师尤里最新研发的无源相控雷达将应用在苏35战机。

贝利（YuriBely）透露，中国对苏-35战斗机使用的IRBIS无源相控阵雷达表示浓厚的兴趣。据称IRBIS雷达对三平方米空中目标的探测距 离达到四百公里。

但平可夫称俄方不会轻易向中国输出雷达技术。显然歼11B已经威胁到了苏27家族的出口市场。目前正在设计 双座型的歼-11BS多用途战斗机将取代苏-30MKK多用途战斗机。在机动性、航程、载弹量等领域，歼-11B对日本及周边都够成极大的威慑。

从各方面的消息称中国新歼-11B改进型歼-11CS已研发成功，其性能参数比苏35更先进，这也是中国迟迟不愿参与俄罗斯第五代战机研发之一。新 歼-11B采用的是更为先进的导航和火控系统。它与新型苏27MK的机体要略大。在某些地方也更优越于苏-35 有消息称中国歼11-B是苏35的翻版。那歼-11CS 其性能将全面超越苏35，而歼11-CS 与中国研发的歼14有大大的不同。不论是在机体结构还是其它方面。新歼-11CS将全面应用中国所掌握的先进技术结合国外引进的先进技术。超能激光技术也将应用在歼-11CS上，这将突破传统的战机结构设想。
PLAAF is about to introduce an improve version of J-11B call J-11CS, report to be "more advance than SU-35".

So we have a further refined variant then the J-11B, interesting. Must be further enhanced strike capability then, seeing it is gonna be a twin-seater. And its gonna be installed with AESA radar, since the Su-35 already has PESA.

[Centrist]

So we have a further refined variant then the J-11B, interesting. Must be further enhanced strike capability then, seeing it is gonna be a twin-seater. And its gonna be installed with AESA radar, since the Su-35 already has AESA.

What happened to the J11BS???

[Hyperwarp]

So we have a further refined variant then the J-11B, interesting. Must be further enhanced strike capability then, seeing it is gonna be a twin-seater. And its gonna be installed with AESA radar, since the Su-35 already has AESA.

Su-35 has a hybrid scanning RADAR with both Mechanical & Passive electronically scanning. Its not an AESA for example like the AN/APG-77.

[pla101prc]

What happened to the J11BS???

what do you expect? its BS

[Bltizo]

what do you expect? its BS

Oh the pun... *sobs*

I thought the Su-35's radar was a PESA?
And how reliable would other posters say that article is?

[Engineer]

what do you expect? its BS

Isn't that true of everything coming out from Shenyang now days?

[HKSDU]

What happened to the J11BS???

We have seen some limited photo mostly background photos of the twin seater J-11BS, but if this is true then Shenyang must of found some limitations or serious upgrades for them to dish out another variant.

Su-35 has a hybrid scanning RADAR with both Mechanical & Passive electronically scanning. Its not an AESA for example like the AN/APG-77.

Thanks for pointing out the typo. It reading "and its gonna be installed with AESA radar, since the Su-35 already has AESA."

it was meant to read "it was meant to be "and its gonna be installed with AESA radar, since the Su-35 already has PESA."

The Su-35 platform uses N035 PESA radar.

what do you expect? its BS

He probably meant the twin seater variant of the J-11B, J-11BS. S=Shuang

[tphuang]

just a couple of things to clear up.

That original article is just typical junk out of wforum that's a combination of kanwa article and something else.

As for J-11BS, we haven't seen any updates recently, but I assume one of the major hurdles is crossed now that the engine issue is resolved.

[Centrist]

just a couple of things to clear up.

That original article is just typical junk out of wforum that's a combination of kanwa article and something else.

As for J-11BS, we haven't seen any updates recently, but I assume one of the major hurdles is crossed now that the engine issue is resolved.

I did have a question regarding the J11BS. Supposedly there is a JH7B in development...isn't it redundant to develop two fighter bombers for China? Since we know the J11BS is in development, why would China spend money developing a Qingling-2 engine/JH7B?

[rhino123]

I did have a question regarding the J11BS. Supposedly there is a JH7B in development...isn't it redundant to develop two fighter bombers for China? Since we know the J11BS is in development, why would China spend money developing a Qingling-2 engine/JH7B?

I believe JH7B was more of a attacking aircraft much like Tornado. J-11BS is more of a fighter-bomber (more on an air-superiority fighter like the F-15).

[crobato]

I kind of doubt JH-7B would be pursued. I believe it was an idea hatched by XAC to gain more aircraft contracts in competition with SAC and CAC.

[pla101prc]

I kind of doubt JH-7B would be pursued. I believe it was an idea hatched by XAC to gain more aircraft contracts in competition with SAC and CAC.

then what is China gonna use for fighter-bombers then, when JH-7A becomes obsolete in a few years?

[latenlazy]

then what is China gonna use for fighter-bombers then, when JH-7A becomes obsolete in a few years?

Obsolete compared to what? Attack aircraft don't face the same pressure from arms races as fighters do. The JH-7A performs its role for its projected scenarios just fine. There's no point creating a super advanced replacement if you're never going to need those advanced features.

[rhino123]

Obsolete compared to what? Attack aircraft don't face the same pressure from arms races as fighters do. The JH-7A performs its role for its projected scenarios just fine. There's no point creating a super advanced replacement if you're never going to need those advanced features.

Actually attack plane are equally pressurise... what with the advances in radar and air-defence system. The JH-7 series of aircraft must be able to play in these environment.

Thus there is a point to update the JH-7 with higher technology and most probably find a so call 'super advanced replacement'. And rest assure, you are going to need all those advance features such as stealth, great air-to-ground attack capability, more powerful armour against ground base weapons, etc.

[latenlazy]

Actually attack plane are equally pressurise... what with the advances in radar and air-defence system. The JH-7 series of aircraft must be able to play in these environment.

Thus there is a point to update the JH-7 with higher technology and most probably find a so call 'super advanced replacement'. And rest assure, you are going to need all those advance features such as stealth, great air-to-ground attack capability, more powerful armour against ground base weapons, etc.

Should have specified. I meant in terms of the basic airframe. You're not going to have to completely replace the airframe with a new design like you would with an air superiority fighter. That's why the US has gone through two or three generations of fighter planes but still use the A-10 as its primary attack aircraft.