China Flanker Thread II

[challenge]

do installation of TVC affected the engine overal lifespan?, during the 90's both india and china imported TVC kit from russia, both countries,discover the installation of TVC shorten the engine lifespan.
or is there any explanation?

[Hyperwarp]

Eurojet TVN : Link-1, Link-2, Link-3

Older links : Link-1

[Deino]

For those, who are interested ... in the current Combat Aircraft Monthly there's an update report on the Chinese Flankers (even if I have to admit some minor errors regarding the regimental numbers)

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Deino

[SinoSoldier]

Thrust vectoring increases roll and turn rates, so even if the J-11 has higher TWR, the Su-30MKI has an increase in turn and roll rates even having lower TWR.
Thrust Vectoring Nozzleftp://ftp.rta.nato.int/PubFullText/R...051-PSF-11.pdf
Now Thrust only is good for sustained turn rate, instantaneous turn rates are lift based and can only be increased by thrust vectoring or higher lift.

Lower wing loading or bigger wing can increase lift, Su-30MKI has canards, so the Su-30MKI lowered wing loading.

Add post stall and you get better agility
now i can confirm the Su-30MKI numbers but the J-11 numbers where can you can confirm them?
Sukhoi Company (JSC) - Airplanes - Military Aircraft - Su-30

Chinese Military Aviation | China Air Force

This website has insider relations.

The RCS estimates of the J-11B were given by video and the AESA radar was confirmed by an official.

[MiG-29]

Chinese Military Aviation | China Air Force

This website has insider relations.

The RCS estimates of the J-11B were given by video and the AESA radar was confirmed by an official.

The website is not official, might be true but might be wrong, i am asking you something official no gossips or this guy said.


Su-30MKI has also improvements in materials specially now that India builds the Al-31 and the Su-30 locally.

[antiterror13]

The website is not official, might be true but might be wrong, i am asking you something official no gossips or this guy said.


Su-30MKI has also improvements in materials specially now that India builds the Al-31 and the Su-30 locally.

Do India really build Al-31 and SU-30 locally ? ... any source ?

[MiG-29]

Do India really build Al-31 and SU-30 locally ? ... any source ?

Indigenization
The first Su-30MKI manufactured from raw materials in India by HAL is expected to roll out in 2010, HAL Chairman V. Balakrishnan said at MAKS 2009.

HAL mastered the manufacture of the wing and the tail last year, and plans to start producing the fuselage and raw materials this year. Manufacture of the engine, the most challenging aspect of indigenization, will be undertaken in the final phase.

"We’re currently testing the locally produced engine for the Su-30MKI and are planning to launch its production in 2010."

HAL would manufacture 60 Su-30MKI fighters in the full production cycle till 2015, he said.


Su-30MKI Acquisition and Upgrade - a knol by Vijainder K Thakur

http://www.hal-india.com/EngineKoraput/products.asp

[challenge]

some avionic such as IRBIS PESA radar manufacture in India under liscense.

[paintgun]

Do India really build Al-31 and SU-30 locally ? ... any source ?

HAL recently rolled out the 61st locally produced MKI

but hey, isnt this thread about Chinese Flankers

[Hyperwarp]

Chinese Military Aviation | China Air Force

This website has insider relations.

The RCS estimates of the J-11B were given by video and the AESA radar was confirmed by an official.

Are you referring to this? Link

According to siegecrossbow, it states J-11B is 4 m^2, down from 15 m^2 from Su-27.

[drunkmunky]

question.

How significant is a J-turn capability with reference to a Dog fight?

[A.Man]

A Detailed J-11 Training Videos

http://news.cntv.cn/military/20111114/106529.shtml

[plawolf]

That is a very good video with some really interesting details.

At first, I was struggling to figure out what type of plane they were flying and what the roles of the pilots were, but I think that was more because of my own pre-conceptions about there being distinct pilot and weapons officer roles.

But it seems that this was a MKK unit, and that all pilots train to be able to perform the roles of pilot and weapons officer, and that they often perform either role.

From that, it looks like the PLAAF is paving the way to bring in true multi-role capability on their future single seaters.

The training is focused on the pilots mastering precision strike of targets over 100km away, they showcased a practice where a pilot managed to fly a missile with a 1.3m wingspan in through a 4m wide cave door from over 100km away.

The weapons being used seems to be the KH59, with over 100km range, and 1.3m wingspan even though several KH29s were shown carried on aircraft during interviews.

The gun camera footage is the highlight of this piece, as you can see that the pilots are training under really difficult conditions. For one of the times a shot was judged to have 'missed', the shot was complicated by the placement of smoke generators near the target, and the smoke obscured the target during the final seconds before impact.

They didn't show how much the missile missed the target by, but going from the gun camera footage, it could not have been by much, and may well have still been enough to take out the target in combat conditions.

The strike against the cave is especially impressive because it was a completely realistic target. The cave was just left as it was, with no visual markings or cuing of any kind. The part of the video of that shot being made start at 11'05". Even if you don't speak Chinese, I think that section is worth watch for just the gun camera footage.

There was a split second of external camera shot which captured the missile, I took a screencap of it.



Hard to tell for sure, but it could be a KH59.

[Deino]

Posted over at the CDF ....

[drunkmunky]

any other sources for the J-11b training videos?

I can't access that video from canada