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EternalVigil

We buy most of our oil from Canada,and the Saudis. We can always buy more from Canada thus improving the over all economy of North America or buy more from mexico.Also, the Euro market is already saturated with F-16 and F-18 so only third world dictatorships would probably want the cheap rip off version.

MIGleader

when katrina hit, gas rose to 6$ in some places. and the guld coast is a relativly minor source of oil compared to venezuela.

who wants to buy an f-16 for only 15 mil? everone!!!!
africa
southeast asia
south america

EternalVigil

They are useless without our tech like a turkey shoot to US and EU fighters. Oh well I guess one can dream eh?

peace_lover

well , i am frm China , i read the news in the newspaper yesterday , so i can tell u guys something in a chinese eyes .

the usage of F-16 for china are (1) it is helpful for china to study the manufacturing technology of usa combat fighters (2) we can take F-16 as the assuming rival , so as to find ways to defeat F-16 of Taiwan (3) the engines of F-16 is the most useful for china , since our engine-manufacturing is far behind western technology

try to understand my words , guys .

EternalVigil

Actually the J-10 is at parity or better than the F-16. The 16 is just a widly used fighter and people still think its good because of that. It is a good mud mover for ground attack missions for being single engine but it dies everytime to F-15's and has zero chance vs an F22 or eurofighter.



Thats because refining capacity was hurt by them we had plenty of crude but could'nt refine it fast enough. :/ We need more refining capacity here and worldwide.

chinawhite

@ EternalVigil

**-Actually the J-10 is at parity or better than the F-16. The 16 is just a widly used fighter and people still think its good because of that. -**

that is a very vague way of looking at it.

The J-10 from my opinion is a better plane than the F-16 aerodynamically but in electrics the J-10 is up to block 40-50. The F-16 has recieved many up-grades from its earlier design.

The J-10 is a un-tested plane but is very promising. 100 J-10s are btter than that other junk china has.(J-7, J-8 and a smaller extent J-6)

**-It is a good mud mover for ground attack missions for being single engine but it dies everytime to F-15's and has zero chance vs an F22 or eurofighter.-**

What block are you talking about?

The block 60-70 F-16 has better radar than the F-15A/B/C.

Its radar is a lot more superior than the EF radar. Its radar is a AESA while the eurofighter is using a pulse doppler multimode radar. which doesn't even come close to the performance of a AESA

Regards,

Chinawhite

tphuang

block 60 of F-16 really is something special. I'd match it up against any flanker and eagle. Block 50/52 are very good too, but it depends on the systems that come with it.

As for engine, the engine on J-10 is far better than some of the engines used on earlier F-16. With the 3d tvc on the current AL-31FN, it's engine is at least at the level of block 50/52 F-16s. only 1000 less in thrust, but TVC more than makes up for it. WS-10A would probably be at the level of F110-GE-132 (block 60 engine). Again, less thrust, but has 3D tvc.

chopsticks

maybe China could use the f-16 as undercover air spys, u know, mingle amongst Taiwanese f-16 if there is a conflict (hopefully not), then when they're not looking, shoot them in the back!!! hahahhahhha kidding...

MIGleader

since when did ws-10a have 3d tvc?

as for an f-16s usefulness, if it is one of the most widelly used planes in the world, THen what could be wrong with training against it!?!!

crazyinsane105

China is not going to take the F-16's. It will ruin China's image greatly. Second of all, who knows what impact it might have when the EU decides to lift the arms ban. Remember what happened when China passed the anti-seccession law? The EU decided not to lift the arms ban. Also, what technological advantages will the PLAAF get out of this? Pakistan is getting new F-16's plus it is rumored that Pakistan had China inspect their old ones years ago. I doubt that China will take the offer.

MIGleader

good point. but than who would buy it? cuba wants mig-29s. any other nation under embargo can get migs. too. any nation not under embargo can get new, block 40 f-16s.

Sczepan

what about Iran?

MIGleader

why would iran want second hand f-16s? irans goal is not to be operating a fleet former u.s planes which they cannot maintain. they already have f-14s and mig-29s. and they are developing a new stealth plane according to issa.

Chairman Hu

They grounded their F-14 planes, according to globalsecurity

The use of the F-16 is probably as ealier mentioned, use them in joint exercise AFTER they are upgraded to block 40 level, and China FINDS a way to destroy them (either tactic or better systems) and this will send a msg to president chen that he cant outspend chairman hu and if China can destroy block 40 classes, there is NO way Taiwan can stand a chance, itz not like China is gonna blow them to pieces, they can be excellent training partners

MIGleader

according to global securities, iran has 25 f-14s. and may have some grounded. issa says iran has around 50, and is making parts and weapons for them. clearly the iranisans are smarter than chavez. and i would listen to issa over global securities any day.